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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back this is going to be a rare

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early edition of truth seekers

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and we have done that to accommodate our

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guest today because there is uh

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something like a six hour difference and

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our friend from across the pond phillip

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mantle is here we don't want to make him

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uh do an interview at you know three or

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four a.m his time which would be our

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usual broadcast time so we're doing

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today's uh special early broadcast

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it is rare that we get someone of uh

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mr mantle's caliber he's an incredible

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author and i have just finished uh his

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one of his books

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and i just want to mention that i love

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it when i find a really good author that

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has written many books

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i have digested the first one which is

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on a subject that i love which is

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the roswell alien autopsy his book the

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truth behind the film that shocked the

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world is an incredible journey into one

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of the greatest ufo frauds of all time

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and it was just amazing to me to see the

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inside baseball

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uh you know mr mantle covered

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the entire thing

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and and you get to see

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some of what happened behind the scenes

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and and hear

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exactly how they put this thing together

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in my view how they perpetrated a fraud

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against all of us

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i grew up with that story i always

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wanted it to be true

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uh and a lot of people felt that way

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but uh mr mantle has done an incredible

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amount of research into the characters

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involved into the entire story and of

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course his book the uh roswell alien

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autopsy the truth behind the film that

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shocked the world is available on amazon

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just search for his name phil manel but

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it's not just that book he's got uh some

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more recent books including one all

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about ufo landings in the uk

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uh so

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let's welcome him here

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oh one second let me do something here

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we have to fix our background

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there we go

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okay welcome mr mantle good to see you

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good to have you here good evening steve

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please call me phillip phillip okay

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philip yeah okay great so listen i don't

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even know where to begin because you you

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have been into this thing for a long

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time but i do want to ask you because i

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ask everybody

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what what you've written all these books

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you've been obsessed by some of this

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stuff like me

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for years decades what was it that got

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yeah good question i mean you know going

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back to when i was a youngster steve and

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certainly as a teenager

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all things paranormal

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i i was fascinated by astronomy you know

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i followed the space race i mean i you

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know we just celebrated the first moon

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just outside of the city of leeds and my

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just over the street from us and i used

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and i found it fascinating i didn't

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fascinated by it and i was always the

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type of kid at school that would stick

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that the teacher didn't want you to ask

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in the first place you know i always

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wanted to know things if there's a

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button that said don't press i wouldn't

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press it but i want to know what

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happened if i didn't you know yeah um

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and then i read one astronomy book which

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had one chapter in it on ufos and

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basically ignoring them or dismissing

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found that rather strange so that that

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um when i left high school with no

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qualifications i went for one job to

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another and then in in late 1978

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books steve you know

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because i could sit and watch the tv on

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a night but i had no idea what they were

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so she sent me a box of books all on

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so i would sit down on an evening

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reading them so when i came home i got a

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bit more knowledge about the subject

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and my uh my aunt who lived just around

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the corner brought me a copy around one

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night she said have you seen this and

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there was a small ad

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and it was for the formation of the

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yorkshire ufo society

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coming up that particular sunday

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so i didn't drive in those days i caught

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found the location that's mentioned in

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this advert and there were about

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and um the auction ufo society was

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that was mark and graham bertsell

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and they put on a presentation because

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they'd obviously been involved for a few

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years already and that was it steve i

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was hooked you know i felt like i felt

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place at the right time i felt like i'd

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come home kind of thing and that and

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that's how it started and it all began

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oh that's interesting you know it and it

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is isn't it it's like a comforting

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feeling when you find other people right

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that are interested in the same strange

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things you are you feel a little less

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alone and a little

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you like you fat yeah like you found

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your place right yeah and they also had

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a big table selling more books which was

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great because they were you know they

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to come by right yeah yeah there was no

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internet in those days no amazon so you

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and i went to the mall i paid my

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membership fee steve i think it was

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and it was worth every penny and um as

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again quite by chance that certain areas

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uh but it used to be just one i'm in

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that had a lot of ufo reports uh and

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like obvious to you that you would begin

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to write books and do really serious

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research i i never thought about me

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writing books i i wasn't a bad writer at

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never entered my my thoughts um i just

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wanted to know more rather naively steve

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i'll read a few more books

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i'll maybe write a few letters to

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various people

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and i'll be it

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you know i'll i'll i'll find all the

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answers that i'm looking for in in no

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so my next best thing was to try and

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confront the phenomena myself if i if

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uh and that was the intention of the

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organization as well was not just to

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gather data from other individuals that

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had witnessed the phenomena but

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close and personal see see what it is

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uh we saw something a distance it never

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got up close and personal to it but we

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certainly give it our best shot

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to get involved any deeper than i did

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but like i said i just seemed to be in

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and things took off he had you know my

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involvement in in the phenomena kind of

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had a life of its own steve

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i never really planned an awful lot i

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and that's what happened with with me

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joining the yorkshire ufo society and uh

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like i say you know i don't regret it

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what one eyeopener

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oh that's very good and

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i i've put just for just for the benefit

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of everybody

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watching or listening here i've put a

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link to amazon in the description of the

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video um i just finished one and i gotta

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i gotta say i'm i'm anxious to get some

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more of your books uh but let's get into

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this alien autopsy because here in the

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uh was it huge in the in england too

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it was huge around the world state yeah

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yeah here in the united states everybody

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was talking about it and for once i

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wasn't the dork in the room you know

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what i mean like

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people that people all knew that i was

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into aliens and ufos so everybody was

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coming to me going do you think it's

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real look you know and there was like

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watch parties people had parties to

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watch it and they replayed it so many

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times yeah people would have parties and

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watch it again and debate whether it was

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real or it was fake or it was a hoax

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yeah absolutely i mean it was a

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phenomenon and again

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um the people behind the alien autopsy

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film people have

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said oh they had a magnificent marketing

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campaign and all this like they have no

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idea what they're talking about there

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was no marketing campaign once the genie

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and and not nobody that was involved

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including myself

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ever thought anything like what what did

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happen would happen

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and uh again we just had to go with it

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you either dropped out of it or you ran

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with it

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and i was right in the middle of it so i

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didn't really have a

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i've often said it's this damn film will

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haunt me to the day i die you know and

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and i can't get away from it whether i

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wanted to or not you know it's just that

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that's it

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yeah and and so

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the the

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the book was pretty revealing about like

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some of the characters involved

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and and

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you know i i've often wondered like

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so do you think it was in just

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intentionally faked

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or do you believe this because the story

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that we get is well we had the real one

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and then it degraded and it fell apart

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and well that's all that's all nonsense

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i mean when we talk about the alien

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autopsy film we're actually talking

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about five different pieces of film

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okay

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first one

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is the tent footage

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lasts about eight minutes

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it's a creature laying on us on a on a

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bed or a

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blanket over it you can see the head and

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the hands and the feet

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too many white coats the other side of

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it fiddling with giblets or whatever

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and occasionally a man with his back to

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the camera walks in it's static is the

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camera there's no no soundtrack that was

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the first piece of film that ray

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santilli

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showed to anyone myself including

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and he said this was the creature was

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were recovered in the desert

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and they put them in a field tent before

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they were transported elsewhere

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so that's the tent footage

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even that i would question though

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because they had these bodies would you

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just put up a tent for a while and pull

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them in a tent or would you put them

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right in a truck and get them to a

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hospital or you know what i'll say is

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at this point i'd already been talking

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to ray santilli for about a year and a

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half

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he kept saying i'll show you the film i

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can't yes i can no i can't

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so in the end i told him to get lost uh

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and i phoned him up just just off off

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the cuff one day

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and he said okay come down you know he's

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in london i'm i'm up north

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i made an appointment with this

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secretary my wife and i went down and

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here at last we had some film and it was

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pretty poor quality steve but i thought

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well at least i can confirm that film

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does exist you know

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and um

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so here it was then

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ray invited us down

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um

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again and we viewed two

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autopsy films so the one you've all seen

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on fox

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that's one of them there is another one

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that is slightly longer

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it's the same location same people same

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creature however it's not damaged

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there's no hole in the leg etc

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a slightly different medical procedure

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is carried out

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and then you have the debris film you

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know the bits of junk that again was

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shown in bits

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in fox then yeah

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yeah i can't believe i can't believe how

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many people have taken stills from that

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specific wreckage you know with the

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six-fingered control panel and all this

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stuff

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it's it's even

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after this is like this is a hoax it's

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still in newspapers it's in articles

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it's in blog posts it's in videos and

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people say here's the proof of the

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roswell wreckage no no it's not right

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well then then santilli got out of a

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an alleged interview with the cameraman

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that was only ever released on japanese

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television

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um but it is available i have seen it so

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there are five separate films in total

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and but like you say images from the

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alien autopsy film they're they're

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they're like the go-to image now when

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any an immediate outlet wants images of

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roswell because there is nothing of

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roswell apart from the desert

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yeah

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so it is it's better than nothing so

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you know how it all came about in 1993

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um i was

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amongst other things the press officer

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for the british ufo research association

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a national organization here in the uk

401
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and i had a letter

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and it was from a company called the

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merlin group

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just asking if we could assist with the

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making of a of a ufo documentary

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so i wrote back sent them some

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information and

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the head of the milling group was ray

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santilli

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so

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is you know

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before email

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and then i spoke to him on the phone and

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then out of the blue steve he said well

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phillip

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i actually have footage

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of the rosewell he called it rosewell to

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begin with

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crash

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and i said okay show me

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he made a bold claim there you know out

422
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the book show me yeah last one just just

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so everybody is clear like philip saw

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all this stuff before it was on

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television before anybody knew about it

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he was in on this

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what what

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let me ask you like really what was your

429
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reactions to seeing this stuff well like

430
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i said the first film we saw was the

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tent footage it's really poor quality

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but

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what i did steve i asked santilli

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uh what is your intentions what what are

435
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you going to do with this film

436
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and he said i'm going to make my own

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00:17:01,990 --> 00:16:58,560
documentary

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and i'm going to release it on video

439
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:03,440
and you'll be able to buy it from me a

440
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:05,600
bit of a bite in your local video store

441
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:07,120
there were still video stores then you

442
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:10,000
know blockbusters and and so on

443
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and he actually did that so at that

444
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:14,720
point there was no television involved i

445
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:17,039
actually wrote the the the the

446
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documentary for him

447
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:21,360
it was narrated by a famous uk actor

448
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:23,199
called brian blessed

449
00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:24,799
and um

450
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,120
but it was only when it was

451
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:29,679
accidentally leaked to the media

452
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that then television became involved in

453
00:17:36,789 --> 00:17:34,559
a big way

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00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:36,799
and um you have to remember this is now

455
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:38,960
1995

456
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and it was the you know that

457
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the x-files was probably at its peak the

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00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:45,280
tv show

459
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:47,679
and this just happened to come out

460
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:49,600
santilli didn't release it to the media

461
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:50,960
that was me

462
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i i did i just slipped up a friend of

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00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,360
mine who was a journalist

464
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:58,000
now what we what we've done i i've done

465
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an agreement just a handshake with

466
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:02,640
santilli um to show it at our conference

467
00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:06,880
later that year august 1995 in sheffield

468
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and we should count there's no money no

469
00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:11,520
contracts involved and he said yeah

470
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so a friend of mine in sheffield was a

471
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journalist

472
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you may know him now he's now dr david

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clarke

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at hallam university david rang me

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and he said i'm doing a little article

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for the local newspaper give me a quote

477
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about your conference for later in the

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year that's why i said you know blah

479
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blah blah blah blah

480
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oh by the way alien autopsy film

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and he ran it in the local newspaper

482
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a couple of days later i got a phone

483
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call from a a press agency called

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whites and all they were interested in

485
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was the alien autopsy film so i i told

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them basically what race until he had

487
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said to me i just quoted him

488
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and then i wake up on the sunday morning

489
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you know my fax machine has been working

490
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:00,640
overtime during the night there were

491
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,559
faxes literally

492
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:04,480
from around the world from television

493
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,200
companies from around the world i i kid

494
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you not the phone just went

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bananas

496
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:13,280
all looking oh look they could find me

497
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in the phone book

498
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:18,000
but ray santilli london businessman

499
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you know they couldn't find him

500
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so they came to me and all i did was

501
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pass them on to ray santilli i said

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looking on my film

503
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so that's when everything changed

504
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:29,840
stephen when the media became involved

505
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it's when television became involved on

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on on may the 5th

507
00:19:39,430 --> 00:19:37,760
1995 santilli hired a theater out at the

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london museum

509
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and and showed the film there to an

510
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audience he even got that wrong because

511
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we're expecting all this different stuff

512
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we've seen but we saw one one autopsy

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film

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no introduction

515
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no no no music over it no narration

516
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um unbeknown to us ray santilli and his

517
00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:00,400
his business partner were in a booth at

518
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the back

519
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,200
and they were actually got a written

520
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:05,120
down script and when narrating it down

521
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the microphone that they forgot to

522
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:07,920
switch the microphone on

523
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[Laughter]

524
00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,679
well they didn't know that the film had

525
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:13,760
just got but it didn't matter

526
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,720
because there was literally a scrum

527
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:18,240
when the film had finished everybody

528
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,480
wanted to know everything ray and his

529
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,039
business partner legged it you know ran

530
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,799
out the back door

531
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and i'm stood there thinking where's

532
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,919
everybody gone

533
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,840
and i was literally pinned to the wall

534
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,280
by all these journalists with their

535
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:33,440
microphones around me and i kept saying

536
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,080
we should be talking to santilli not me

537
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:37,840
but he'd gone

538
00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:40,799
and um he'd gone to a a local pub near

539
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his offices

540
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and um i think that's where the deal may

541
00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,360
have been done with fox and bob kibia

542
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,200
who was the producer

543
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:51,840
and that that sounded like maybe maybe

544
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,640
he sat back in a pub and just like who's

545
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:57,280
the hide bitter fox we're going with you

546
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,799
do you know what i mean well bob was

547
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,240
there you know he

548
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:02,880
and that and it all came from that and

549
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,159
uh it literally was shown eventually in

550
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:09,280
in in 1995 in august

551
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,120
ray did turn up at our conference

552
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:12,960
stephen showed it that was the first

553
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,240
time anybody had seen it anywhere apart

554
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,320
from me and a couple of others

555
00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:20,880
and the place was packed i mean it was

556
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,720
absolutely ram jam pack we had

557
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,559
journalists there from around the world

558
00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:26,080
but they were too late

559
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,320
ray had already done a lot of his deals

560
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:30,480
it went out the next day on fox there

561
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,960
you go alien autopsy factor fiction i

562
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,960
mean it i mean that

563
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:35,840
you know

564
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,919
me to be this strange connection now

565
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,080
because i watched that so much growing

566
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,080
up and now you're right here yeah and

567
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:46,080
you've got the inside baseball of the

568
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:49,280
whole story don't you think though that

569
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,480
listen

570
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,799
i i'm not encouraging people to fake

571
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,799
things or do hoaxes

572
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:56,720
but one thing i have to say is that they

573
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,760
did have a certain attention to detail

574
00:22:05,590 --> 00:22:02,000
in other words like the phone in the

575
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,600
room was from 1947 the clock

576
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,679
in the room was

577
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:09,840
somebody some expert figured out yeah

578
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,280
that was a 1940s error wall clock yeah

579
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:15,760
like they really went to the mat to try

580
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,960
to can to try to connect this to roswell

581
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:21,120
right there's nothing on the film that

582
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:23,039
you see that can say you can point to

583
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,640
and say that proves it to be a hoax

584
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,480
nothing obvious anyway

585
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,240
you know they weren't wearing a digital

586
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,799
watch for example or oh

587
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,480
you know um

588
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,799
but i'll give you an example on the may

589
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,360
the fifth screening which was at the

590
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,400
london museum an invited audience only

591
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:42,720
there was a guy at the time who was very

592
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:45,039
involved in roswell research called kent

593
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:46,159
jeffrey

594
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:48,720
and he was an airline pilot

595
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,679
and i i got ken a seat at the table so

596
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:54,240
to speak he was in the audience he came

597
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,000
running out of this out of the theater

598
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:58,240
once he'd seen it saying it's a hoax

599
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:59,360
we've got him

600
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,240
because

601
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,640
when you see the telephone on the wall

602
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:04,720
it's got a curly flex he said they

603
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,080
didn't have curly flexes in 1947.

604
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,400
and he's shouting this out but of course

605
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,480
when we checked with the museum

606
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,240
and they did you just have to it was an

607
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:15,840
optional extra that you could pay that

608
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:17,280
bit more for

609
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:18,080
you

610
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,000
yeah yeah but that's an interesting

611
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,559
detail that he noted absolutely but kent

612
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,760
jeffrey

613
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,679
you know shot his mouth off

614
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:29,679
uh and made himself look a little bit

615
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,799
foolish

616
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:32,080
and um

617
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:34,000
although he was very skeptical of the

618
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,679
film he went on to say he thought it was

619
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:37,679
actually some kind of deformed human

620
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,799
being that was on the slab um

621
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:42,480
and so he called it a kind of a snuff

622
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:44,559
movie if you like and there were all

623
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:47,840
kinds you know so by 95 you've got the

624
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,919
you know the burgeoning internet nothing

625
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,760
like it is today it was all green

626
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,919
screens and all the green all that kind

627
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,039
of stuff

628
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:56,880
um

629
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:01,279
online it really was

630
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,159
um

631
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,200
and and it went around the world i mean

632
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:07,279
i i got invited to go here there and

633
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,760
everywhere and i used to tell these

634
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,600
people you know i don't do this for a

635
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:14,080
living i have a proper job and i have a

636
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,120
wife

637
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,600
yeah i can't just fly to your country to

638
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,679
talk about this film right yeah i i

639
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,799
remember being asked to go to hong kong

640
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,960
you know for the weekend i said i've got

641
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,600
to go to work i can't just

642
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,360
turn up at the airport with my passport

643
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:30,960
and fly to hong kong for a couple of

644
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,520
days i was even asked by a like a

645
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,360
showbiz promoter

646
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:38,080
to do a presentation

647
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,200
uh all week at a theater in london

648
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,360
you know once every evening and twice on

649
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,360
saturday and twice on sunday and he

650
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,679
offered me a large amount of money

651
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,159
and i said i can't do it he said well

652
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,799
why not i said i've got to go to work he

653
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,559
believed he was in the audience you know

654
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,720
watching the presentation

655
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,440
he thought this was my job i said no i

656
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:01,679
actually worked in a factory i was a

657
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,640
factory worker and a a

658
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,720
a trade union steward

659
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,799
this was something i did you know on the

660
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:10,640
side yes

661
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,279
yes this is a side hustle at best bro i

662
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,760
can't just drop everything and do a show

663
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:17,679
yeah so so when i show you the

664
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,320
popularity this thing was so popular

665
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,279
that somebody knew that they could get

666
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,279
somebody connected to this film to just

667
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,360
do a presentation every night and fill a

668
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,880
theater for a week

669
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,600
absolutely absolutely you know

670
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,080
and you know maybe if i've had the time

671
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:35,919
and you know i may have done it but

672
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,080
you know um it was just wasn't possible

673
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,559
i had to go to work i had a job

674
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,600
um so when i'm when i met santilli

675
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,919
i i got to know him a little bit

676
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,520
and

677
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:49,520
so i had to make a decision what to do

678
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,799
steve

679
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,039
because it was quite obvious to me that

680
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,600
if you rub santilli up the wrong way

681
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,600
he would just cut you off he wouldn't

682
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,440
return your calls

683
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,000
or your faxes or your letters he did

684
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:03,760
that with stanton freeman stanton

685
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,600
friedman faxed him a a list of demands

686
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:08,559
and i mean

687
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:18,470
he wasn't that impressed so we literally

688
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,360
a list of demands not requests not

689
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,520
questions but demands well that was stan

690
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,159
he was pretty well

691
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:27,840
until he just said to me who the hell is

692
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,880
this fella if it's my film i'll do with

693
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,240
it what i want

694
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:34,559
and and it was right in that respect so

695
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:37,919
i decided that you know in public and

696
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,640
with santilli i would support him

697
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,480
but behind closed doors

698
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,159
i try and get to the bottom of it and

699
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,080
one of the reasons i invited him to

700
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,919
speak at our conference

701
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,919
was that i hoped that it would get out

702
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,080
onto television

703
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,840
and then people would be able to see it

704
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:55,520
and you know

705
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,559
um

706
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,480
it it went far bigger than any of us

707
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:00,960
ever dreamed but so once it goes out on

708
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,320
tv around the world steve i'm sat there

709
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:07,360
in fact right you know the information

710
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,679
is going to come flooding in

711
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:11,200
somebody's going to come forward and say

712
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:14,799
that's me i'm one of the actors or

713
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,720
in my studio or i provided the props or

714
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,640
maybe the opposite some guy might step

715
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,320
forward and say oh my grandfather told

716
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,760
me all about this

717
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,919
you know yeah yeah but i think that was

718
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,279
a smart way to play it because like you

719
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,720
said you don't want to rub santelli the

720
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,880
wrong way saying you think it's fake

721
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,559
better to put it out and let somebody

722
00:27:38,190 --> 00:27:35,200
else point out yeah but but the thing

723
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,200
was nobody came forward i mean

724
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:40,960
absolutely no one

725
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,760
so all we had to go with was the film as

726
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:45,120
you see it

727
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,000
um

728
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,159
centrally promised pieces of film for

729
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,399
analysis burn in mind where he actually

730
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:53,440
lived was only a short drive to kodak

731
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,240
here in the uk

732
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,720
and i spoke with kodak and they said we

733
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,200
will analyze any film

734
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,520
we won't comment on what it depicts but

735
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:04,960
we'll analyze it

736
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,880
and but it's date don't you think it was

737
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,799
a stroke of brilliance though to film

738
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,279
that on old film stocks so that when

739
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,360
somebody tested the film it would date

740
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,279
to the right period i think that was

741
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,679
brilliant no no you're wrong it wasn't

742
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:20,080
filmed on old film stock it was filmed

743
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,960
on new film stock oh okay so but what

744
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:25,200
did they do they found old film stock to

745
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:28,960
yeah they went no no what they did

746
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:31,679
the man who made the film is spiroz

747
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,360
molaris yes he's a filmmaker a magician

748
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:36,960
an entrepreneur

749
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,480
and so he used his magician skills

750
00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:42,240
what they did that went down the market

751
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,600
and then literally bought some old

752
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:47,520
1940s films

753
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,799
that one of which was a college baseball

754
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,159
and and of course

755
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,159
the film has a leader on it so they cut

756
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,320
the leader off it that's what it is i'm

757
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,559
sorry yes all right and they splashed it

758
00:29:04,149 --> 00:28:59,520
to the

759
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,159
yeah and of course what spiros did what

760
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,240
one one so-called specialist that

761
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,679
stepped forward to try and analyze the

762
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,240
film was bob shell in the states he came

763
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:13,200
to london so they take the film to his

764
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:14,080
is

765
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,720
won't allow him to touch it

766
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:20,799
and you know one of the great

767
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,600
things that magicians do is misdirection

768
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,720
sure absolutely i know

769
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,200
pulls the film out holds it up in the

770
00:29:33,590 --> 00:29:32,000
air and you can see the creature on it

771
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,600
but he's actually got his finger and

772
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:36,240
thumb over the splice

773
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,120
yeah

774
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,279
that's interesting so it's misdirection

775
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,520
so you're you were so excited to see

776
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,840
this film you're just looking to see the

777
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,760
creature on it then he shows him the

778
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,080
edge code on the leader

779
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:49,840
which is a you know

780
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,399
a black box and a triangle you check

781
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:54,559
that with kodak and they say that's our

782
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:59,120
code for 1927 1947 and 1967. so even

783
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,480
that fit

784
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:01,760
you know so

785
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,470
yeah absolutely yeah

786
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:10,960
and spiros i've got to know very well he

787
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,799
says it's it's the biggest illusion

788
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,880
that's ever been created because there

789
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,440
are still people today believe it's real

790
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,919
yeah i talked to him a few times and uh

791
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:22,240
he's a very interesting character and

792
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,120
and he is is very proud of the fact that

793
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,559
he pulled that off

794
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,559
you know and that's that's a typical

795
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,200
magician you gotta you gotta stand back

796
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,679
and marvel at the brilliance to put

797
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,360
together an illusion like that and

798
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:37,360
that's what it was and it's interesting

799
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,399
that even like i remember doctors and

800
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,480
and people that were very familiar with

801
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,480
autopsies and anatomy we're looking at

802
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,320
that and saying that this looks like a

803
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:48,080
real

804
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,039
rubber creature it doesn't look like

805
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,159
it's fake it looks like you know

806
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,480
i mean i i spoke to numerous surgeons

807
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,440
and pathologists or or i wrote to them

808
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:03,600
um same same with special effects

809
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,000
artists they all to a man said yeah we

810
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:07,519
can make it

811
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,480
and um somebody said it looks like

812
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:12,080
this fellas work

813
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,840
so i i've got the phone number of this

814
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,600
guy this is in england

815
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,039
and i ring him up

816
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,559
i said you have anything to do with this

817
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,000
and he said no but i tell you what he

818
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,480
said it looks like so-and-so's work

819
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,399
that's happy got his phone number so

820
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,559
yeah and i'd ring this next job and then

821
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,240
and i just went round in circles it

822
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,799
became quite clear that none of them

823
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,360
knew who the hell

824
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:34,720
yeah

825
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:37,840
now spuros used his friend

826
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,240
and he's called john humphreys john

827
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:42,960
isn't actually a special effects artist

828
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,279
per se he's a trained

829
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,080
a royal academy sculptor

830
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,559
yeah yeah so that's where the body came

831
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:53,200
from yeah so his work on on occasions

832
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:54,000
had

833
00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,440
he he is a sculptor so he wasn't known

834
00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:02,000
in special effects circles

835
00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:04,000
yeah it'd be difficult to find him

836
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,519
you're looking for a special effects

837
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,679
absolutely horror movies or something

838
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:09,600
which is what i would have done yeah you

839
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,399
know absolutely i mean and and of course

840
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,159
as a trained sculptor he was trained in

841
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:16,640
anatomy as well so he's able to get

842
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,840
the anatomical features right spuros's

843
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,760
girlfriend went through the uh the

844
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:24,559
medical literature to tell about how how

845
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,919
such a a procedure would be done

846
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,240
and so they they formed a small team in

847
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:32,880
between them um they they did it and

848
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,960
pulled it off now the reason there are

849
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,880
two autopsy films

850
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:38,000
okay

851
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,360
i remember saying this too you've all

852
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,200
seen one on on

853
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:43,679
on tv with a big hole in the leg

854
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,399
that's actually the second one

855
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,640
they've made the first one

856
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:50,720
and they're looking back on what they've

857
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,600
done

858
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:54,080
and it was spiros's girlfriend bearing

859
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,360
in mind she'd gone through with the

860
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:57,840
medical literature she said that's a

861
00:33:04,389 --> 00:32:59,200
mistake

862
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,399
procedure and if you release that

863
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,440
everyone will know it's a fake

864
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,240
so they said right the money had run out

865
00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:12,320
that spent the budget

866
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:14,320
uh so spiro says i'll put i'll pay the

867
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,480
rest we'll we've got the we've got the

868
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,960
mold for the for the the creature we'll

869
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,039
make another one overnight so this pump

870
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:23,120
the stuff in or whatever it is it does

871
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,640
come back the next morning to take it

872
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,320
out the mold

873
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:27,840
there's a problem there's a big hole in

874
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,240
the leg got an air pocket

875
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,519
so spiros uses his head

876
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,360
and they go to the butchers

877
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,120
they get an animal bone they stick it in

878
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,039
the leg you get a

879
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,720
burn it make it look it's an accident

880
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,200
you know these people have crashed

881
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,720
and that's the one

882
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,480
that's the one you see on the television

883
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,240
so that's like i said the attention the

884
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,399
attention to detail was pretty good i

885
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,399
like how i went to the butcher shop to

886
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,559
get like guts and you know and testing i

887
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,480
have a i have a really good friend who

888
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:58,480
spent all his life working in special

889
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,600
effects

890
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:02,080
um he was in australia sorry new zealand

891
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,600
when all this happened

892
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,480
and it now lives in the uk and i asked

893
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:08,960
him about it and he said

894
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,639
as a special effects artist you'd

895
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,960
sometimes make your best work

896
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:15,040
when you've got no budget or things have

897
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:16,159
gone wrong

898
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,480
you know yeah and you have to improvise

899
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,800
and which is exactly what they did

900
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,240
so so

901
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,320
then we move forward in time and

902
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,320
sanctuary all of a sudden changes his

903
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:27,919
story

904
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:31,200
he said well the film deteriorated

905
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,280
and we had to recreate it you know or

906
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,599
and and the reason did that because they

907
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,280
had a movie coming out and that was

908
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,030
he calls restore it steve he calls it

909
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:47,040
restoration he said we still had a few

910
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:49,679
frames left and we restored it no and

911
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,000
just to be clear i know somebody who's

912
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:53,919
very big film buff

913
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:57,440
and he uh restores some some film

914
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:59,280
and and what he does is he takes the

915
00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:00,720
original film

916
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,720
and through some sort of process cleans

917
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,680
it sometimes there's dust or hairs on it

918
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,760
individual frames he goes through frame

919
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,400
by frame and cleans the film

920
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,640
that's restoration

921
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,680
you know

922
00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,599
filming it all over again and then

923
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:17,760
claiming that you put a couple of frames

924
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,720
inside the finished restoration is not a

925
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,960
restoration it's a really well there's

926
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,880
another there's another great mistake in

927
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:26,400
this theory

928
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,000
let's say you're an art restorer steve

929
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,720
and i've got a work of art i want you to

930
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,800
restore

931
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,040
so you do your work on it

932
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:39,119
however you wouldn't make another one

933
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,480
that was

934
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,349
because we have two alien autopsy films

935
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,040
they're both in the same room same

936
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:49,280
people but there's a different procedure

937
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,640
one's damaged you know one creature

938
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:55,040
so santilli now

939
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:56,800
it's kind of forgotten

940
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,240
about the second one he kind of says no

941
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,720
what do you mean there is no second one

942
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:04,560
but i'm not the only one that saw it my

943
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,040
wife was there with me uh maurizio

944
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:09,280
bayata from italy also viewed it the

945
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,480
late

946
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:12,560
you guys saw the prototype

947
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:15,680
we respected it right yeah yeah

948
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:17,599
we saw them we saw them both so you

949
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:20,480
can't lie you know i'm not the only one

950
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,880
um but so if you were restoring

951
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:24,560
something you wouldn't make an extra one

952
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,920
just in case

953
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,079
you're messed up and then the extra

954
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,000
one's a bit different to the real one

955
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,560
you know um so that's yeah you know

956
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:34,960
that's where santilli's story

957
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:38,160
falls down um big time and i wanted to

958
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,839
ask you because maybe you know and

959
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:41,119
you're one of the few people who may

960
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:42,960
know i was also going to ask this

961
00:36:46,550 --> 00:36:45,359
magician this but i never got a chance

962
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,560
to

963
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,200
the original molds were they destroyed

964
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,079
or does somebody still have them because

965
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:53,920
no no the agreement they had with

966
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,079
santilli was that that they'd get rid of

967
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,160
everything uh there were supposed to be

968
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,200
no photographs taken of them making this

969
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,000
either but one has survived we have a we

970
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,520
have a polaroid

971
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:08,960
of uh john humphries with the

972
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:13,920
the mold of the creature you know and um

973
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,160
but he said we literally even the

974
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,560
creature he says we chopped him up

975
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,119
and and we dumped them in various places

976
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,359
um so it wasn't like take take the

977
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:25,119
creature's body and just dump it all in

978
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,480
one place they actually chopped here

979
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,800
yeah that's a shame because if somebody

980
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,320
still had the molds and they could make

981
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,760
some i'd love to have one of those

982
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,079
things well i i said

983
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,680
i said just spit offs you sound like

984
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,599
you're in the mafia you know chopping

985
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,359
bits up and dumping the body you know

986
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,520
yeah imagine what they had

987
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,599
yeah like people don't understand this

988
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,839
but in order for this plan to work

989
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,599
santilli was right you got to get rid of

990
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,079
all the evidence so they literally after

991
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,839
they filmed this thing they had to take

992
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,000
this fake alien body and chop it up into

993
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,160
little pieces and they put it in

994
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:58,720
dumpsters i've heard or places all over

995
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,790
there's alien pieces of a fake alien

996
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,040
body all over england somewhere

997
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,599
spuros built the set in

998
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:10,960
his sister's

999
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,359
flat apartment because she was having it

1000
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,160
renovated anyway so it was a bit untidy

1001
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,800
so they built it in camden in london

1002
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:20,720
and and that's where you see the alien

1003
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,480
up what is funny

1004
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:24,560
these these are the little stories that

1005
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,119
you know you hear and spinoff said we'd

1006
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,599
we'd made the first creature

1007
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:31,200
we chopped it open

1008
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,640
taking all the

1009
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,040
bits out of it and we realized we'd done

1010
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,119
it wrong we actually left it there on

1011
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:38,400
the slab

1012
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,720
i said we'll go and set the mold you

1013
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,920
know for the other one and we'll come

1014
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,760
back in the morning when they came back

1015
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,800
in the morning the front door was open

1016
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,119
they've actually been burgled

1017
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,520
oh jesus some burglar walked in and saw

1018
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,520
an aileron

1019
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,920
spiros at first though oh that's it game

1020
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,160
over then he thought well no

1021
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,560
a burglar can't go to the police and say

1022
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:01,920
i was i was

1023
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,430
but he says can you imagine the face on

1024
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:09,200
you know of the burglar when he opened

1025
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,160
the door

1026
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,560
and this thing's laying on the slab with

1027
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,960
its head cut open and it's guts cut up

1028
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,200
and all these giblets all over you know

1029
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:19,440
yeah i better get out of here before the

1030
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:23,680
guy but no alien up comes back right

1031
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,079
spiros was able to support

1032
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,800
his claims i went to his home he showed

1033
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,960
me the faxes from kodak where they told

1034
00:39:36,390 --> 00:39:33,599
him what edge codes were what and okay

1035
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,400
had abused dossier of of um

1036
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,400
american military vehicles because they

1037
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,280
intended to build a crash site as well

1038
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:43,119
with a with a ufo in the background but

1039
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,720
he just run out of time and ran out of

1040
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,720
money um

1041
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,880
so he even um

1042
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,880
spiros is quite a good artist in his own

1043
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,480
right and he

1044
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,040
i i i will tell you this uh being a

1045
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:56,880
former stage magician

1046
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,000
uh he is incredibly talented and it took

1047
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:01,839
it would i

1048
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:04,160
i remember like you know when you see

1049
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,520
this thing it takes a magician to to

1050
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,839
construct it because it is and if

1051
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,240
nothing else i respect the guy because

1052
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:14,319
he created a beautiful illusion and he's

1053
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,119
right

1054
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,359
i i've done many i've built many

1055
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,760
illusions that i used on stage

1056
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:22,560
never not one of the things i created

1057
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,040
ever took off like that like that was

1058
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,280
crazy spit-offs never made any money

1059
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:29,760
from it he said that's unfortunate yeah

1060
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,720
well

1061
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,880
he said the idea that

1062
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,240
they had was

1063
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:36,240
we'll release this

1064
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,359
and then

1065
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:39,839
in maybe six months or a year

1066
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:43,200
we'll do a reveal you know da da

1067
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:44,960
to show everybody how clever they were

1068
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:46,560
maybe they'd get some more some more

1069
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,240
work because he was a little filmmaker

1070
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:50,480
at the time john was a struggling

1071
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,680
sculptor

1072
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,680
race until he kept coming back and

1073
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:55,520
saying well i paid a lot of money for

1074
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:59,119
the the tent footage it didn't

1075
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,040
he's still trying to sell that as real

1076
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,880
to them they didn't believe him so i

1077
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,200
said i need to make my money back so

1078
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,440
they just went off and did their own

1079
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,680
their own thing it was only when the

1080
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,200
movie

1081
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:13,200
came about and they spoke to spiros it's

1082
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,280
been all said hang on a minute you know

1083
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,960
enough's enough here

1084
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,319
you know it's about time we told the

1085
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,960
truth and he then looked into it he

1086
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,480
couldn't believe

1087
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,480
what happened people

1088
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,920
think well he must have known what was

1089
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,839
going on well he didn't he wasn't in

1090
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:29,440
that world

1091
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:30,560
you know

1092
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,480
by this time he's running his own tv

1093
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,440
studio it's working around the clock you

1094
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,560
know

1095
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:41,119
he's not in the ufo world

1096
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,160
and

1097
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,560
he decides enough enough he gathered

1098
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,119
information and he actually phoned a

1099
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,200
friend of mine called russell callahan

1100
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,400
russell used to work on ufo magazine

1101
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,400
and he had his own little mag out at the

1102
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,800
time called ufo data

1103
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:57,680
now

1104
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:01,040
i got spiros's first name from

1105
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,560
a contact

1106
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,319
but spiros meant nothing i didn't even

1107
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,400
know what it was you know it meant

1108
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,680
nothing at all

1109
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,520
so russ said

1110
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,280
you phoned the wrong guys philip you

1111
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:13,040
should be speaking to

1112
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,839
so

1113
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,520
russell gave me the guy's phone number

1114
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,359
and i wrung him up and i said what's

1115
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:20,319
your name he said spiros molaris as soon

1116
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,160
as he said spiros which is not a common

1117
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,240
name yeah that is a very uncommon name

1118
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,000
that's very interesting

1119
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,800
you knew you had him right i mean i have

1120
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:31,359
here just by

1121
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,760
coincidence the tapes

1122
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,119
i actually

1123
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:37,440
recorded him on tape

1124
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,200
in case that was the only chance i got

1125
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:44,550
has anybody heard that and can i get a

1126
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,599
copy well i don't know but um

1127
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,920
so we're gonna we gotta i'm gonna i'm

1128
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,079
gonna hound you for that because i would

1129
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:54,400
love to broadcast this this is spiritual

1130
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,200
i know

1131
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,440
yeah and i've got all the missing pieces

1132
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,440
of the alien autopsy film in my head

1133
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,680
i've got i've got the jigsaw

1134
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,040
um yeah

1135
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,280
and he's filling in the missing spaces

1136
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:07,280
as i'm talking to him

1137
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:10,000
so i said i'll i'm making notes i'll

1138
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,599
come back to you and i'll ask you some

1139
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,240
more questions and i did and then and it

1140
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,079
wasn't interesting that listen the

1141
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,760
lesson is

1142
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:20,000
you got to pay your co-conspirators

1143
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,359
right if you're going to do something

1144
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,520
like this right because wasn't he sort

1145
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,440
of like the the impression that i got

1146
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,240
when i spoke to him was that

1147
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,119
he felt like he didn't get paid enough

1148
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,599
it wasn't so he spilled the beans right

1149
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,599
yeah it wasn't necessarily get paid it

1150
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,079
was the recognition yeah he wanted

1151
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,200
recognition for what he still says

1152
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:43,359
is the greatest you know illusion ever

1153
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,480
created

1154
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,079
and um

1155
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,960
they were talking about this movie

1156
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:50,960
and spiro said no you need to tell the

1157
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,240
truth now and we didn't plan to to to

1158
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:56,400
defraud anyone to be or certainly he

1159
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,440
didn't

1160
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:59,839
santilli had you know he had the once

1161
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,520
once the media got involved the pound

1162
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,599
signs were rolling like i said

1163
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,839
again steve it just took off

1164
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,599
yeah you know

1165
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,440
it was like a snowball rolling down the

1166
00:44:14,069 --> 00:44:11,200
hill when it just got bigger and bigger

1167
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,079
i mean centilly always admitted his

1168
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,400
intention was to make money from it but

1169
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,000
he he alone

1170
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,079
he will admit he could it won't tell you

1171
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,400
how much he's here but he's not millions

1172
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:23,839
you know

1173
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:28,560
that that was his intention he thought

1174
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,079
he was going to make millions he didn't

1175
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:31,760
he was just going to sell it on home

1176
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,400
video that was his original intention

1177
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:36,560
and he made that home video i wrote it

1178
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,319
for him like i said you know and um

1179
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,240
people bought it i've got copies of it

1180
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,560
you know and um

1181
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:46,160
yeah i don't i don't believe that i've

1182
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:47,680
ever seen that i would like to i would

1183
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,560
like to see that just for the history so

1184
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:52,480
so you know because that was sort of the

1185
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:55,119
first release and then they went big

1186
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,560
with fox and well it was so big on fox

1187
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,359
they had to make two more specials i

1188
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,319
remember yeah you know and um yeah they

1189
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,079
sort of milked it because the first one

1190
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,319
did so well for them ratings wise i

1191
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,319
think that they brought let's bring in

1192
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,480
some more experts and talk about it some

1193
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,040
more and do two more yeah yeah and then

1194
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:16,880
of course there was the video sales

1195
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,839
afterwards sometimes part of those yes i

1196
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:21,920
remember buying it on i remember buying

1197
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,319
the video because i wanted to watch

1198
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,040
i and then it was early you know it was

1199
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,760
the 90s so i i took it to a friend who

1200
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,640
had an amiga video toaster and he did

1201
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:35,359
the early digitizer and he digitized for

1202
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,800
me just the autopsy portions and cut out

1203
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,800
all the people talking and i watched

1204
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,400
that thing on loop

1205
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,319
you know

1206
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:46,960
i i've actually got it on um

1207
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,760
high resolution beta cam as well that's

1208
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,760
interesting yeah um

1209
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:54,000
and i have that then transferred onto a

1210
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:55,040
cd

1211
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:55,839
um

1212
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,040
i mean it even went to russia

1213
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,680
saudi arabia and asia yeah yeah it went

1214
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,800
everywhere

1215
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,680
and you still i mean it

1216
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,680
it ingrained itself in popular culture

1217
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,000
steve it was in the simpsons you know

1218
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:15,280
seinfeld the x-files the x-files did

1219
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:16,480
their own

1220
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:17,440
version

1221
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,800
and then there was that and then there

1222
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,880
was a sort of a holly there was that

1223
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:22,560
sort of movie about it and it was the

1224
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:23,440
movie

1225
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:31,990
the only truthful thing in that whole

1226
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,160
movie is the way it spiraled out of

1227
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,000
control and they just raked in the money

1228
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:37,680
they just took the money and went with

1229
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,160
it that's about the only um yeah

1230
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,000
back to spirus like

1231
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,079
so you you started talking to him and

1232
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,040
and he starts spilling the beans

1233
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:50,960
is that where the story starts to fall

1234
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,680
apart well it was already falling apart

1235
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,400
we'd found the guys that made the

1236
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,079
the whole genesis

1237
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,560
of the alien autopsy film

1238
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,599
um

1239
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:04,079
started with a company called uh mk

1240
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,319
music

1241
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:09,520
and that's for you know mick and keith

1242
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:12,079
and what santilli used to do

1243
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,920
his his main business was music he'd buy

1244
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,960
you know

1245
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,319
old

1246
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:20,720
60s and 70s pop artists he'd buy their

1247
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,520
back catalogues and or he would

1248
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,280
he would hire

1249
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,119
groups that were famous in the 60s or

1250
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,359
70s and reform them and sing some of

1251
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:31,680
their songs again so there was a he was

1252
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,839
a buyer and seller and and things like

1253
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:34,720
this

1254
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,160
and he used to work with ak music i said

1255
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,720
mk sorry it's ak andy and keith

1256
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,440
and um they used to make a number of

1257
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,160
things including karaoke videos so they

1258
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,079
used to meet and have little silly

1259
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,240
brainstorming sessions you know i just a

1260
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,400
bit of a joke

1261
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,000
and santilli

1262
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,520
said

1263
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,720
wouldn't it be great if we had some

1264
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,119
roswell footage

1265
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,520
now one of the guys working for keith a

1266
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:03,760
chap called keith bateman

1267
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:07,599
uh he happened to have a ufo book and he

1268
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,200
needed roswell

1269
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,599
so keith i mean keith

1270
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:13,680
is is a lovely lovely guy he's called

1271
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:16,960
keith bateman he's a wicked sense of

1272
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,559
humor steve you'd love him i mean

1273
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,319
when i went and met him an interview

1274
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,000
with him i'm never stopped laughing all

1275
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,599
day

1276
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,839
so keith and his colleagues

1277
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,680
went to a farm

1278
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:32,000
the head of the alien is made from you

1279
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,599
know one of the polystyrene heads you

1280
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,960
put a wig on

1281
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:37,520
yes yes i'm very familiar with those wig

1282
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,680
he put his son under the sheet but an

1283
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:42,079
old she it's filmed in a barn

1284
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,200
he got

1285
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,040
himself and another sorry one of his

1286
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,640
colleagues and another fella to put a

1287
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,800
white coat on they played the doctor and

1288
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,119
the guy you see walking him in front of

1289
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,400
the camera he's actually the farmer

1290
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,240
that's interesting and they made they

1291
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:58,079
made this tent footage

1292
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,270
yeah they run it through the computer

1293
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,880
turned it into black and white yeah

1294
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,720
because it being in color kind of busts

1295
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:11,200
that it wasn't from the 1940s then

1296
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,880
scratches on it and what have you keith

1297
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,040
took it to reign santilli

1298
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,440
said here have a look at this and

1299
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,800
santilli said

1300
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:20,720
that's not good enough

1301
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,079
go away and get me a quote

1302
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:25,680
for how much it would cost to make some

1303
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,720
real good stuff and keith did that

1304
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,240
and he'd come back with a quote for

1305
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,880
maybe 30 40 000 pounds it's until he

1306
00:49:37,589 --> 00:49:34,800
said i'll forget it you know it's too

1307
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,599
much yeah but what he did he kept the

1308
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,280
tent footage

1309
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:41,440
and he used that as but the idea had

1310
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:44,160
then been implanted in santilli's head

1311
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,280
i've got

1312
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,000
roswell footage even though it's fake

1313
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,960
yeah got it he showed it to reg presley

1314
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:52,640
red presley was the lead singer of the

1315
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,160
troggs 1960s pop group wild thing you

1316
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,640
know love is all around all that

1317
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:01,520
reg was a big you know uh crop circle

1318
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,760
and ufo fan

1319
00:50:10,150 --> 00:50:06,079
and

1320
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,160
so he used that as bait now in 1995

1321
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,319
every year they have a tv festival in

1322
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,480
france it's called mick connor something

1323
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:16,160
like that

1324
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,200
so you have

1325
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,280
spiros molaris who's got his own little

1326
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,640
film crew

1327
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,200
he got a trade directory with all

1328
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,720
different businesses

1329
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:26,559
and he sent them a fax

1330
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,880
saying i'll be in cairn

1331
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,119
at mitcom with a crew if you we've got

1332
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,040
some spare time if you need anything

1333
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,200
filming we're there

1334
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,440
just by chance one of those companies he

1335
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,160
sent the fax to was the merlin group and

1336
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,680
i mean he did that on purpose because

1337
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,839
they were close to where you know his

1338
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,200
location was

1339
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,520
he bumped into santilli

1340
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,440
in uh france

1341
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,960
it's until he told him this strange

1342
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,880
story about this film he got from this

1343
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,640
military cameraman

1344
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,400
spinoff had no idea what the hell he was

1345
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,760
talking about so when he come back he

1346
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,359
said i'll link up with you

1347
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,440
so he goes to santilli's office he

1348
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:04,240
sticks in the film the tent footage

1349
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,000
and spiro says it's a fake

1350
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:10,960
it's never been on film this is video

1351
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,720
this was shot on video because it was it

1352
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,880
was all video oh okay and spyros was

1353
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,480
familiar enough with filmmaking to know

1354
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,960
that it wasn't shot on film

1355
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,400
ross is one of those guys he used to

1356
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:22,079
shoot his own little films as a kid you

1357
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,040
know yeah and uh

1358
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:26,960
he said uh

1359
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,599
you know it was santil is saying oh i

1360
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:31,040
paid a lot of money for this which he

1361
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,400
didn't you know

1362
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:34,079
he he didn't

1363
00:51:40,470 --> 00:51:38,000
and so spiros is driving back home

1364
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,480
and he knows his pal his best one of his

1365
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,319
best pal at the time is the sculptor

1366
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,839
john humphreys

1367
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:46,000
and it's like the lightning

1368
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,839
yeah we can do better than that

1369
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,359
right he told me he even he saw that

1370
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,520
original footage he thought

1371
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:55,760
i there's no way i can't do better than

1372
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:58,240
that so we he had a word with john

1373
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,599
that went back to

1374
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:01,280
chantilly and said we can do this for

1375
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:02,400
you

1376
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,000
and we can make this and this is how

1377
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,599
much it will cost

1378
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:07,760
sentient he didn't have the money he

1379
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,280
borrowed it from his business partner

1380
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,240
volca spielberg so this is where

1381
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,880
you got rumors floating around in 1995

1382
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,599
that

1383
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:18,240
steven spielberg was involved it wasn't

1384
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:21,440
steven spielberg it was volker spielberg

1385
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,880
a german

1386
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,960
film guy nothing to do with nothing to

1387
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,400
do with stephen but interesting

1388
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,400
connection yeah yeah

1389
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,640
so neat coincidence right yeah they

1390
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:32,400
signed a contract they said they

1391
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,119
wouldn't um release any information say

1392
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,880
anything do anything

1393
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:38,400
and off they went and made it and the

1394
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,359
rest

1395
00:52:43,670 --> 00:52:41,359
is history it really is

1396
00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:43,680
but it still goes on to this very day

1397
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,440
steve you know there's people there are

1398
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,839
still people listen there is a facebook

1399
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:50,000
group and and i and uh

1400
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,040
it's like

1401
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,200
all about the alien autopsy and the and

1402
00:52:56,950 --> 00:52:55,200
i've spoken with the person that runs it

1403
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:56,960
and he's still convinced that that's

1404
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:59,520
real footage and no amount of

1405
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,400
you know

1406
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:02,079
going in things or

1407
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,559
explaining things or quoting from your

1408
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:05,839
book or other

1409
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,240
you know debunks of it will convince him

1410
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,319
he's he's absolutely convinced that's

1411
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:11,839
it's real footage and if there's some

1412
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:14,640
kind of cover-up they need santilli say

1413
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,640
it was fake you know

1414
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,720
because it got too popular you know one

1415
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,160
of the one of the questions i wanted to

1416
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,480
ask you about was this cameraman

1417
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,880
interview wasn't that a mistake because

1418
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,359
they the story starts falling apart

1419
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,240
suddenly they interview somebody and say

1420
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,079
this was the camera man but can you tell

1421
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,319
us more about that interview yeah yeah i

1422
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:35,920
i think it's an interesting part of this

1423
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,559
oh yeah i mean you know i mean now the

1424
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,400
film's gone out around the world

1425
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:41,920
santilli says i bought it from this

1426
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,079
camera man i paid cash

1427
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,839
you know and i'm not allowed to reveal

1428
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,520
his name he needed the money for his

1429
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:49,839
granddaughter's wedding or whatever

1430
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:52,400
um he gave out a number of fake names

1431
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:53,520
for him

1432
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,720
and um

1433
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:57,839
he was under pressure to deliver more

1434
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,040
you know look

1435
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:01,200
i mean this was big money though talking

1436
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:03,040
to steve yeah

1437
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:03,920
and

1438
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,960
he even got a guy to ring me one night

1439
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:08,880
he said the cameraman's gonna ring you

1440
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,559
phillip

1441
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,680
at home

1442
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,599
at this time i can't remember the date

1443
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,559
now and that's interesting the phone the

1444
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,800
phone rings there is an american

1445
00:54:22,069 --> 00:54:20,559
sounding gentleman on the other end of

1446
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:22,079
the phone

1447
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,440
not telling me an awful lot but he

1448
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,520
claimed to be the cameraman

1449
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,200
and um

1450
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,400
so again

1451
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:31,680
santilli gets hold of uh spiros we need

1452
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,720
a we need a cameraman's interview

1453
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:37,280
and they actually went to los angeles

1454
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,440
with uh chantilly's business partner

1455
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,960
gary shewfield who

1456
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,480
was there but didn't have anything to do

1457
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,160
with it

1458
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,880
spiros found an old guy on the street

1459
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:49,359
literally living rough

1460
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:51,599
this is why i love this story you said

1461
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,319
this basically they took a homeless man

1462
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,559
and paid him and gave him a script and

1463
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,240
told him to answer these questions right

1464
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,760
yeah and they said do you want to own a

1465
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,520
couple of hundred dollars and

1466
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,839
spend the night in a hotel

1467
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,359
so they spruced him up a little bit

1468
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,799
they're putting a fake nose on just for

1469
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:08,559
the sake of it

1470
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,640
and

1471
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,520
tv producer bob kivia had sent a list of

1472
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:15,280
questions

1473
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,319
okay

1474
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,720
so they just wrote the answers out

1475
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,119
for this guy and he just sits there

1476
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:24,000
and an old boy without glasses on and

1477
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,319
reads reads the answers

1478
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,480
and

1479
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,960
just by chance this guy had actually

1480
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,319
been an actor

1481
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,119
back as a young fella uh he's actually

1482
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,520
called moose carlson

1483
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,520
and spuros even found one of the movies

1484
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,119
that he was in you know he got a little

1485
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,359
clip from it that's pretty interesting i

1486
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:45,599
think he takes it back they actually

1487
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:49,839
hand deliver it to um to bob kivia

1488
00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:51,839
they make him fly from new york i

1489
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:53,520
believe to somewhere i don't know if it

1490
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:54,880
was l.a

1491
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,960
and they claimed that it's the it's the

1492
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,799
um

1493
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,520
no the cameraman's son is handing over

1494
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,680
the interview and and

1495
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,440
you know

1496
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:07,440
bob knew the game was up he said this is

1497
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:08,319
all

1498
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:09,520
you know

1499
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:11,920
nonsense

1500
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:14,799
yeah yeah and the funny thing was this

1501
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,200
was now filmed on video

1502
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,640
not on not on

1503
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,160
on on film

1504
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:22,720
so you you get a copy of this you stick

1505
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,079
it in your video recorder and you can

1506
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,920
turn the contrast up in the brightness

1507
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:28,240
so you can see the man's face

1508
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,200
you know

1509
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,920
so the only place it was sold to was a

1510
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:34,400
tv company in japan so that's the only

1511
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,839
place

1512
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,599
that anyone would broadcast it the game

1513
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,920
was up as far as sales were concerned it

1514
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:42,319
just just didn't hold water

1515
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:44,160
and that was you know that was the end

1516
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,720
so there's five films in total there's

1517
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,040
you know the temp footage two autopsy

1518
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,599
films the debris and the cameraman's

1519
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:52,880
interview so

1520
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:54,559
when we talk about the alien autopsy

1521
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:57,280
film it's five films in total

1522
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,319
and four were made by spiros one was

1523
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,160
made by keith bateman

1524
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,079
and um

1525
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,400
and it you know it just goes on and on

1526
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,319
and on i i literally out of the blue

1527
00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:10,160
received an email from race and tilly

1528
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,040
last week i i can't disclose what he's

1529
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:15,599
talking about but it's nothing fantastic

1530
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:16,640
you know

1531
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,520
but it was on i hadn't emailed him i

1532
00:57:24,069 --> 00:57:21,520
hadn't spoken to him i mean thought

1533
00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:24,079
about him you know i don't wish him any

1534
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,079
harm

1535
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:28,240
um no i get the sense from you that you

1536
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,400
were involved but you wanted to know if

1537
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,960
it was real or not well i just i just

1538
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:35,359
started trying to hurt him but no i i

1539
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,119
sat down with centrally one day we went

1540
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,160
for lunch i was in london with him and i

1541
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,079
said ray i'm gonna get to the bottom of

1542
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:43,680
this film

1543
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,280
wherever that may be and he just said

1544
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:47,359
that's fine phillip you know so it was

1545
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:48,400
never

1546
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,160
you know i didn't let it get personal

1547
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,240
some people did some people accuse me of

1548
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:56,079
being involved in making it

1549
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,760
you know i was i was

1550
00:58:01,829 --> 00:58:00,079
santilla's co-conspirator i'll tell you

1551
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,839
how that came about steve

1552
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,760
bear in mind i'm married at this point

1553
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:05,359
with two young kids

1554
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:07,599
me and my wife built an extension on our

1555
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,880
house

1556
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,480
rather than where the money must have

1557
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,640
come from your co-conspirators there you

1558
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,160
go the same

1559
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,480
house phillip mantle works in a factory

1560
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:18,799
where does he get that kind of money

1561
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,440
it must have come from santilli

1562
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:23,440
well they forgot to ask it wasn't my

1563
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,160
money it was my wife's money

1564
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,240
yeah she'd have that happen yeah she'd

1565
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,960
had her own property before we met she

1566
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:33,040
now sold it and we used some of the

1567
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,319
proceeds from

1568
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,119
that house besides that you know women

1569
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,960
have a way of squirreling money away

1570
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,520
don't they yeah but they really do they

1571
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:44,160
you know like i i'm so thankful my wife

1572
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:45,760
when we have like some kind of major

1573
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,680
emergency like the furnace needs to be

1574
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:49,599
replaced there's just the money is there

1575
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:52,000
and i don't know how she does it but she

1576
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,760
was out there it was either it was on

1577
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,000
the move house or build an extension

1578
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,839
when and the cheaper option was to build

1579
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:00,000
the extension and it was my wife's money

1580
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:01,520
no not mine

1581
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,680
but you know these idiots said oh he

1582
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,760
must be getting paid you know zillions

1583
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,839
by santilla

1584
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,240
yet the only thing santilla paid me for

1585
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:13,040
was to write his documentary which i did

1586
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:15,119
i wrote his documentary

1587
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:17,359
i i provided him with contacts where he

1588
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,400
could buy

1589
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,960
license uh interviews for it and things

1590
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,079
like that

1591
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:25,040
and um that is it you know i got a small

1592
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,040
amount of money for that

1593
00:59:30,150 --> 00:59:28,960
we we never even talked about money

1594
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:30,160
there was no

1595
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,440
you know when he showed it at our

1596
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:34,000
conference there was no money involved

1597
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,920
you know we just shook hands on it and

1598
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,839
that was it and he turned up much to my

1599
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:39,680
amazement i might had but he did he

1600
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,520
turned up you know

1601
00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:43,680
and um

1602
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:46,480
and the rest is history stephen and i do

1603
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:48,240
want to ask you too about this you know

1604
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:49,839
because recently this has been in the

1605
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:52,480
news again because he's

1606
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:55,760
so santilli has never admitted that that

1607
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,720
it was all faked right and he's claiming

1608
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,400
that was a recreation

1609
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,480
and he did have the original film and

1610
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:04,480
and his latest claim is that he's

1611
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,520
selling one frame of the real

1612
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:09,520
film

1613
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:11,040
as an nft

1614
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,359
can you tell us about that and what what

1615
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,760
happened with that was it

1616
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:17,760
well what happened

1617
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:20,880
um spiros claimed copyright of the alien

1618
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,470
because the one you see on television

1619
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,319
was the second one they made they'd

1620
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,480
actually run out of money

1621
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:33,280
so not only did spiros film it he paid

1622
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,640
for the crew

1623
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,640
and the you know the body and the alien

1624
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:38,079
he paid for that out of his own pocket i

1625
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,760
think he's got a valid claim then that

1626
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:40,720
he

1627
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:44,720
centennially put a frame of it up for

1628
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:45,760
sale

1629
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:48,559
it's actually spiros's copyright and he

1630
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,559
contacted the company and said no that's

1631
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:52,880
that's my copyright you can't sell it

1632
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:55,119
you know so they took it down but then

1633
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,520
santilli would pull it up again and take

1634
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,680
it down again he didn't sell it you know

1635
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,000
he he didn't sell it and he was looking

1636
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:04,079
for like a million dollar payoff right

1637
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,200
oh yeah

1638
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:06,799
i heard him basically say that would be

1639
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:08,240
his last hurrah and he was going to

1640
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:10,799
retire santilli yeah i mean he still

1641
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,280
runs his business i know that but

1642
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,960
long before all this i mean we're

1643
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:16,880
talking years ago now steve there were a

1644
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,040
couple of gentlemen in the states

1645
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:20,880
who contacted me

1646
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,880
and wanted to buy the film from san

1647
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:25,920
santilli for a million dollars

1648
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:29,520
and i said don't guys it's fake

1649
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:31,760
you know it is fake

1650
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:32,640
and

1651
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:33,680
they're thinking they're going to get

1652
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,599
this whole reel of film not just a

1653
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,440
couple of frames or a frame

1654
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:39,280
they're thinking what you see on you

1655
01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:40,319
know

1656
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,640
alien autopsy fact or fiction and that

1657
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,400
all that is available

1658
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,319
and i said well even if it was it's

1659
01:01:53,349 --> 01:01:49,200
still fake and in fact it is available

1660
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,359
but it was filmed in 1995 not in 1947

1661
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,160
and and you can't age the film to to con

1662
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:57,680
people you know

1663
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,000
and uh so thankfully they i don't

1664
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:01,599
santilli wouldn't wouldn't have sold it

1665
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:03,039
anyway he couldn't

1666
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,960
because once they got it they would be

1667
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:06,480
able to have it tested and it would be

1668
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:07,440
fake

1669
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,240
um so i said don't don't go anywhere

1670
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:12,480
near him you know it is a fake

1671
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,960
and um so thankfully they didn't but

1672
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,880
santilli is still

1673
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,119
if he if he gets what i mean out of the

1674
01:02:23,190 --> 01:02:20,960
blue again it's going back samia they

1675
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,200
got an email from him steve saying how

1676
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:25,599
about alien autopsy in the movie uh sort

1677
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:27,359
of the musical

1678
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:29,119
oh god they're gonna make a musical out

1679
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,640
of it well

1680
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,720
talk about cashing in and you know some

1681
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,720
of me though thinks that santel is a

1682
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:36,480
little bit greedy because he's already

1683
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:39,039
made he's already made so much money off

1684
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,559
of this and it was

1685
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,799
purely through deception that he was

1686
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,960
able to make that money you know nobody

1687
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:46,319
would have he would have made millions

1688
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:47,920
if he would if he would have been honest

1689
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,160
and said hey you know well we we just

1690
01:02:54,789 --> 01:02:52,480
made this and somebody's flat you know

1691
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,799
with the sculptor and this and that

1692
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,079
he wouldn't have made that money so he

1693
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:58,160
made the money through deception

1694
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,680
and even after all that money it's not

1695
01:03:03,270 --> 01:03:01,280
enough for him he's still trying to cash

1696
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,280
out one more time absolutely absolutely

1697
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:05,039
and if he finds a way of doing it he'll

1698
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,039
do it steve

1699
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,200
i guarantee it well i i have often

1700
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:11,039
thought that if he if he did a

1701
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,680
documentary completely coming clean and

1702
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,839
saying yeah spyros you know him and

1703
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:17,200
spyros

1704
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,760
spiros i'm sorry it's a weird name it's

1705
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:21,760
hard to say it right okay i always do

1706
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,559
that i say spyro's not spiro so i'll go

1707
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:26,559
with you because you yeah

1708
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,440
so if he and spiros got together and did

1709
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:32,079
a documentary and bring in everybody

1710
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:33,760
that was working on it

1711
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,480
spiro's sister his crew and all just

1712
01:03:39,750 --> 01:03:38,240
tell the story

1713
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,760
that would make a million dollars

1714
01:03:42,829 --> 01:03:41,039
probably because it's one of the

1715
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:42,839
greatest hoaxes that has ever been

1716
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:45,680
perpetrated on the on the public in the

1717
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:47,520
world right i think i think it is the

1718
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,039
world's greatest hoax i mean if you

1719
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,039
think about hoaxes you know you've got

1720
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,680
the hitler diaries you know that was a

1721
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,039
great one i remember that one that was

1722
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,200
good you got built down man going back

1723
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,760
you know and um

1724
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,960
but this

1725
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:03,280
purely monetary value purely on the

1726
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:05,359
amount of money it made

1727
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:06,720
you know must be the world's greatest

1728
01:04:10,870 --> 01:04:08,480
hope because then it went into a warner

1729
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:10,880
brothers movie as well it is firmly

1730
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,200
implanted in popular culture the hitler

1731
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:16,160
diaries aren't you know the the hoax you

1732
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:18,079
know loch ness monster photographs are

1733
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:18,960
not

1734
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:21,520
but this damn thing is and it crops up

1735
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,559
everywhere it's the go-to pictures

1736
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:27,119
you know i i i knew a guy would run a

1737
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,039
picture library at the time

1738
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,039
and he said that's santilli signed up

1739
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,280
with it with a picture library phillip i

1740
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,039
said not that i know of why he says well

1741
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,599
he's gonna lose a lot of money because

1742
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,440
people are just taking it under their

1743
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,880
music he says

1744
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,559
he said if he signs up with a picture

1745
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,480
library and signs the contract our

1746
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,280
lawyers will will hunt everybody down

1747
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:49,039
and they either pay the fee

1748
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:52,319
or or they get get fined yeah and and

1749
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,839
philip i don't know if you're aware but

1750
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:55,680
it wasn't just

1751
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:58,720
there was copycats that came out after

1752
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,520
uh

1753
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,440
there was one that we busted really

1754
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,160
badly called alien interview which was

1755
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:06,799
reported to be a video that was stolen

1756
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,359
out of area 51 and it's got what i

1757
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,160
believe is a puppet and uh we weren't i

1758
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:14,000
wasn't able to find the puppeteer but i

1759
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,240
was able to find a crew member that

1760
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,319
filmed it and said yes it was a puppet

1761
01:05:23,750 --> 01:05:20,400
we filmed it they filmed that in a

1762
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,760
garage yeah that was also on fox and

1763
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:25,680
then the interesting thing is the

1764
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:27,680
character victor who was supposed to be

1765
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:30,240
the one who stole it out of area 51 you

1766
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,559
know they put him in shadow and and it's

1767
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:34,559
so interesting that

1768
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,440
the person asking him the questions and

1769
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:39,599
the voice of victor once you take the

1770
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,400
voice disguise off are the same person

1771
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,119
he's interviewing himself about stealing

1772
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:47,440
the thing and and we've traced it to the

1773
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:50,559
producer of that being the voice

1774
01:05:57,029 --> 01:05:53,039
and uh he wouldn't grant us an interview

1775
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,039
he also uh created that film teen wolf

1776
01:06:01,349 --> 01:05:59,680
besides this alien interview and so but

1777
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:01,359
they didn't they didn't make anywhere

1778
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:03,680
near as much money but it still enabled

1779
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,559
the alien autopsy was so popular that

1780
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,720
fox started looking and other

1781
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:11,119
opportunists said let's do something

1782
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,839
similar oh yeah cash in you know but

1783
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:15,920
nobody was quite as successful as them

1784
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:18,240
no there's a lot lots of copycats most

1785
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:20,160
of which were done for a bit of fun

1786
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,119
but

1787
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,760
you could buy alien autopsy the board

1788
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,359
game

1789
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,760
alien autopsy operation

1790
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:29,680
you know that's interesting i never saw

1791
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:31,440
that after that

1792
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:34,079
games i've got some of them here

1793
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,160
uh even even today there's a modern

1794
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:38,160
version of it coming out

1795
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:40,400
um it's not that long ago i mean i know

1796
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:42,160
you guys in the states you celebrate

1797
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:45,520
halloween in a big way you could buy

1798
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,079
uh alien autopsy cakes

1799
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,799
for halloween and when you cut them open

1800
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,319
all the blood run out

1801
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:54,240
you can't escape like the creature on

1802
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:55,359
the slab

1803
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,240
you know

1804
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:58,319
and oh they're missing they're missing a

1805
01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:59,920
business opportunity they should get

1806
01:07:04,390 --> 01:07:02,240
royalties from the cake companies well

1807
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:04,400
i'm only surprised that santilli didn't

1808
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,920
go down that route i don't know what

1809
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,880
happened

1810
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,000
um

1811
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,599
but uh you know there must have been a

1812
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:11,520
miscommunication somewhere along the

1813
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,240
line but there's even alien autopsy the

1814
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:16,079
the magic trick that you can buy things

1815
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:18,319
i think it's pack of cards i don't know

1816
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,559
what it is i've seen it yeah yeah right

1817
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,160
so it's it's

1818
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:24,160
yeah it's i've got i've got a couple of

1819
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:26,079
models that were built of it you know so

1820
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:28,000
it spawned a little cottage industry as

1821
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:28,960
well

1822
01:07:32,309 --> 01:07:29,920
and

1823
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,319
that's why probably santilli will never

1824
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:34,640
get sued for fraud because everybody he

1825
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,280
sold it to or licensed it to all made

1826
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:39,520
their own money out of it i mean can you

1827
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:41,039
imagine how much money fox will have

1828
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:43,119
made out yeah there was an interesting

1829
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:44,640
question in the live chat i know that

1830
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,039
you don't have exact numbers but

1831
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:49,760
do you have some idea or estimate of how

1832
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:51,839
much money in total santilli made off of

1833
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:53,839
this thing it's in the millions

1834
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,720
millions it's it's 10 million plus

1835
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:57,839
wow

1836
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:58,720
you know

1837
01:08:02,710 --> 01:08:00,559
because

1838
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,720
well and you ought to find some old film

1839
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,559
stock we really should find some old

1840
01:08:10,230 --> 01:08:06,880
film stock and a sculptor because 10

1841
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,240
million dollars is 10 million dollars

1842
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:12,720
yeah and you know i i don't think we'll

1843
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,760
ever know i

1844
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:15,359
here's a little coincidence for you

1845
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,319
right

1846
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,239
in the middle of all this

1847
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:20,880
you know i i take an ill i had a heart

1848
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:23,600
attack in 1999 so i had to kind of hear

1849
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,120
that it's okay i like to come out and

1850
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:27,120
work with you look great today and

1851
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,960
congratulations for uh

1852
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,520
so i had to leave the factory

1853
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,000
and i ended up working for a little a

1854
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:36,319
lady by the name of heather and she ran

1855
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:38,640
a small little publishing venture from

1856
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:41,600
her offices at the back of her home

1857
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:44,480
and and i was working for her

1858
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:46,799
and she knew of my involvement in all

1859
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,520
this especially the alien autopsy

1860
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,440
and she said to me and the other guys

1861
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:53,120
that work there but my boyfriend's

1862
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,640
coming today now we've never seen him

1863
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:56,000
with a man

1864
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,199
anyway this

1865
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,239
this businessman turns up we have lunch

1866
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,880
in in in the place

1867
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,799
and he said philip you know

1868
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,239
heather's been telling me about your

1869
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,719
involvement and in the in autopsy films

1870
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,640
yeah now this guy was a trained

1871
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:12,319
barrister

1872
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,480
okay but he'd never trade he never

1873
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,920
worked at what called the bar so he'd

1874
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:17,759
never worked in court with the funny wig

1875
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:20,960
on and all that lot he says i actually

1876
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:21,679
do

1877
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:24,000
contracts contractual law is my

1878
01:09:28,149 --> 01:09:25,679
speciality

1879
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:28,159
and he literally opened his briefcase

1880
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,199
steve

1881
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,199
and pulled out the contract and said

1882
01:09:36,070 --> 01:09:33,040
have a look at this and it was the

1883
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:36,080
contract for ray santilli and gary

1884
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,279
shulfield for alien autopsy the movie

1885
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:41,600
there was the contract and he allowed me

1886
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,359
to he allowed me to read it

1887
01:09:49,510 --> 01:09:47,440
i wasn't allowed to copy it

1888
01:09:50,470 --> 01:09:49,520
so i crammed as much as i could into my

1889
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:50,480
head

1890
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,960
um later that year i met santa lee in

1891
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,719
shoe field in london

1892
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,560
and they sat there you know thinking

1893
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:58,239
aren't they wonderful

1894
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,239
and i told them

1895
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,760
how much they were going to make on the

1896
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:03,360
movie

1897
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,199
oh i think that would be a shock to them

1898
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:07,199
that you already knew right

1899
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,040
and they didn't know what to say steve

1900
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:12,800
and then i i played them at their own

1901
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:15,600
game now santilli had a couple of ladies

1902
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,239
work for him you know i like secretaries

1903
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,080
uh one was called sarah one was called

1904
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:22,640
sandra i met them all i chatted to him

1905
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:23,920
and i said

1906
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,920
you know sandra and sarah don't work for

1907
01:10:31,590 --> 01:10:28,080
you anymore i had no idea if they did or

1908
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,600
not steve i had no idea i just guessed

1909
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,159
and said i've actually interviewed them

1910
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:35,920
and you'll be amazed what they've told

1911
01:10:40,149 --> 01:10:37,920
me no they hadn't i haven't interviewed

1912
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,159
them at all so you blocked them right so

1913
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,320
i played him at his own game i got these

1914
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,400
facts right about how much money they're

1915
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,560
gonna make on the movie

1916
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,719
so i just followed it up

1917
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:50,239
and i said the only thing is at the

1918
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:51,520
moment guys

1919
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,199
they won't allow me to publish what

1920
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,120
they've said as soon as they give me the

1921
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:57,280
green light your game is over

1922
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:59,760
and um santali just laughed it off

1923
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,920
saying all the disgruntled employees you

1924
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:03,440
know and all this kind of stuff yeah

1925
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:05,440
he's gonna explain it away yeah but you

1926
01:11:09,030 --> 01:11:07,120
should have seen their feisty when i

1927
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:09,040
told them what their their their cup was

1928
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:12,239
on the movie they they nearly passed out

1929
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:13,120
you know

1930
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,760
and that was all from from my boss who i

1931
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,600
was working for at the time and her her

1932
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,000
boyfriend and i was spot on the movie

1933
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,080
came out you know we knew the budget we

1934
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:24,000
knew how much to got to make the movie

1935
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,320
we knew the direct we knew everything i

1936
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:28,320
even got in touch

1937
01:11:31,669 --> 01:11:29,040
with

1938
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,679
the the filming the film company that

1939
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:33,360
were making it in in london they were

1940
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,600
called qwerty films

1941
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,960
and i got in touch with one of the

1942
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,120
executives i spoke to her on the phone

1943
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:42,080
to begin with and then we swapped emails

1944
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,199
and i know

1945
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,600
that movie companies will not tell you

1946
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,360
what they're making

1947
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,360
they won't say anything about a project

1948
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,040
until it's ready to go so i didn't ask

1949
01:11:54,390 --> 01:11:53,520
any questions about it

1950
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,400
i just

1951
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:56,880
did like chit chat

1952
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,280
and and then one day i just dropped in a

1953
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,760
little question

1954
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:03,760
and i said you might be able to answer

1955
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:06,960
this but i i i understand if you can't

1956
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:13,750
she says it's john humphries

1957
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,310
and he made them for santilli as well

1958
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:24,880
she told me yeah that's interesting so

1959
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:28,080
in the movie he made the molds again to

1960
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,640
me he made the copy of the creature she

1961
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,480
told me he made them for us and he made

1962
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,080
them for santilli as well actually thank

1963
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,760
you very much you know well you know

1964
01:12:39,510 --> 01:12:37,600
what's interesting then is that maybe

1965
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:39,520
the original that was used in the alien

1966
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,320
autopsy fact or fiction and all that uh

1967
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:43,760
molds aren't available but i bet you

1968
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,080
that movie company may still have those

1969
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,840
molds from the movie well

1970
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:50,080
john had john actually had some in his

1971
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:51,520
workshop

1972
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:53,840
uh that's interesting because he made

1973
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:56,320
extra heads and things like that

1974
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:59,440
and this was a time that he was

1975
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,920
still talking in a way

1976
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:03,199
and

1977
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:05,360
we found out that his wife had said he

1978
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,149
you know get rid of it

1979
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,159
so i actually offered to buy one from

1980
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:13,920
him i said because as you can see behind

1981
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:15,760
me i've got a little collection of stuff

1982
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,750
because we've got some photographs

1983
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,920
they've been working on these

1984
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,840
dummies for qwerty films he's got

1985
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:29,760
pictures of him you know he's in his

1986
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,960
workshop

1987
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:32,640
um

1988
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:34,560
but he he stopped talking then i think

1989
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,120
santilli said you know keep keep quiet

1990
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,679
kind of thing please john and and he's

1991
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:41,040
gone along with that

1992
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:43,120
you know but i would love to i would

1993
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,800
have bought one from him just just not

1994
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:46,719
to expose anything say i've got i've got

1995
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:48,719
one you know from the movie it's a

1996
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:51,120
collectible from the movie yeah yeah

1997
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,400
that's quite a that would be quite a

1998
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,400
souvenir i want one too so i totally

1999
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:56,400
understand there you go you know i want

2000
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:58,159
the whole body i would stand it up in a

2001
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,709
um

2002
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:04,480
i don't know what year it was it may be

2003
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,440
five ten years ago now steve a a russian

2004
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,440
film crew came here

2005
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:11,040
and they interviewed me about the alien

2006
01:14:16,149 --> 01:14:13,840
autopsy film their next stop was ray

2007
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,159
santilli so they interviewed santilli in

2008
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,480
his office and he's showing him stuff

2009
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,800
and then they went down to where

2010
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,760
john humphreys lives and interviewed him

2011
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,520
and guess what he's got the whole body

2012
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,760
laid out you know wow that's interesting

2013
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,040
so yeah

2014
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:31,040
they sent me a copy of the film they

2015
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,640
made when they finished it yeah when

2016
01:14:35,510 --> 01:14:34,560
they finished it's all in russian

2017
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,520
you know

2018
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,760
but i can see things because my my

2019
01:14:41,669 --> 01:14:39,840
friend and colleague paul stonehill in

2020
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,679
the states is originally from the

2021
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:42,960
ukraine

2022
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:44,800
he gave me a rundown of what's on it he

2023
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,199
didn't translate it word for word but he

2024
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:49,760
speaks russian and he understands it and

2025
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:52,560
um so we we know from that

2026
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,120
that um

2027
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,880
that you know there is still a although

2028
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,080
certainly was a

2029
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,320
you know a dummy still still lying

2030
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:02,239
around somewhere but you never know

2031
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,600
what's going to happen next with this

2032
01:15:08,310 --> 01:15:06,560
this damn film steve yeah yeah you never

2033
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:08,320
know there could be a part two somebody

2034
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:10,159
will find more footage or something you

2035
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:12,880
know make another 10 million dollars and

2036
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,280
i want to remind people uh that if

2037
01:15:19,990 --> 01:15:17,360
you're interested in this uh this is an

2038
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,000
excellent book uh that phil manuel has

2039
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,320
written roswell alien autopsy the truth

2040
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,400
behind the film that shocked the world

2041
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,640
and uh just as he's telling these inside

2042
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:28,320
baseball stories there's an awful lot

2043
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,760
more in this book and it's very detailed

2044
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:33,360
any everything you've ever wanted to

2045
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:36,480
know about that how the how they did it

2046
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,440
you know

2047
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:40,159
the spiro's involvement uh

2048
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,040
you know

2049
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,360
it's it's just an incredible story and i

2050
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:45,760
i also wanted to ask you so

2051
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:48,800
this uh flying disc press

2052
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,640
that's kind of a sub this is kind of a

2053
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:52,800
subculture right but you have a whole

2054
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,840
publishing company now based around ufos

2055
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,280
and aliens and

2056
01:16:03,189 --> 01:15:59,520
strange stories right when did that

2057
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:03,199
begin for you and well in 2015 you know

2058
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,560
i've done all kinds of things i've been

2059
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,640
a magazine editor of you know and i know

2060
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:09,199
people are all around the world stephen

2061
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,120
and um a colleague in in poland

2062
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,120
said he said philip

2063
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:17,520
my spoken english is pretty good but i'm

2064
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:19,920
trying to brush up on my written english

2065
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,440
can i send something i've written for

2066
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:23,040
you to have a look at so he sent me this

2067
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,040
thing on email and it was actually a

2068
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:28,239
manuscript he's a ufo researcher and a

2069
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,679
magazine editor himself now in poland

2070
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,440
so i read it

2071
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,199
and i gave him some feedback on his

2072
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,679
written english was pretty good actually

2073
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:39,600
i thought this is this is a pretty good

2074
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,640
book

2075
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,640
you know so this is this is going back

2076
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:44,000
seven years

2077
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,080
and i have a friend called john hanson

2078
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:48,960
john is a former police detective

2079
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:51,040
and he runs his own little publishing

2080
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,920
company called haunted skies

2081
01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:55,840
that's what i knew the name i knew that

2082
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:56,800
name yeah

2083
01:17:01,110 --> 01:16:58,640
i know that i have some of his books

2084
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:01,120
yeah so so john was saying why don't you

2085
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:03,840
publish it i said well look you know

2086
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:07,360
um um and i'm pushing 60. i've only

2087
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,000
maybe got you know six or seven years

2088
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:12,000
left and that was me

2089
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:13,679
retired

2090
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,159
so i need something to do when i retire

2091
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:18,239
and this my plan was to wait until i'd

2092
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:20,400
retired and then do it then

2093
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,600
but john

2094
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:23,280
you know give me the rundown how i could

2095
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:25,600
do it so i you know i took the i took

2096
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:28,000
the leap and i published ufos over

2097
01:17:30,630 --> 01:17:29,280
poland

2098
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:30,640
uh

2099
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:33,120
under the banner flying this press

2100
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:35,840
uh it was a very steeply learning curve

2101
01:17:41,590 --> 01:17:39,840
steve uh but it it solved pretty well

2102
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,600
you know it's interesting i i don't have

2103
01:17:45,510 --> 01:17:43,440
that book and i'm gonna get it because

2104
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,520
i'm polish and i don't know anything

2105
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:47,760
about ufos and well my my stepfather was

2106
01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:50,080
other than the nazi bell story that was

2107
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:53,120
yeah my stepfather was from poland and

2108
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:54,480
um

2109
01:17:57,910 --> 01:17:55,840
and then i followed it up with another

2110
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:57,920
book called ufos over romania and that

2111
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:00,560
did okay so i was up and running

2112
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:02,880
and then a couple of years down the line

2113
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:03,840
um

2114
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,360
i got the chance to take early

2115
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:07,440
retirement i worked for a bank now

2116
01:18:13,540 --> 01:18:09,199
please please don't hold that against me

2117
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:15,590
[Applause]

2118
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:18,320
too he was a banker after after i took

2119
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:19,840
hillary to come out of the factory and

2120
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:22,800
get get an office job and and i ended up

2121
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,600
in the bank for my sins but so i took

2122
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,120
early retirement

2123
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,679
and and through my you know myself into

2124
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:31,199
flying this press

2125
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:32,159
um

2126
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,920
and and we've had some success we've had

2127
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,480
two amazon bestsellers yeah you're tommy

2128
01:18:40,709 --> 01:18:38,640
congratulations that's we now have fun

2129
01:18:42,950 --> 01:18:40,719
easy thing to do get a better seller on

2130
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:42,960
amazon well we have we also have flying

2131
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:45,120
the express in france so some of our

2132
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,560
books are now published in french we

2133
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:48,880
also have it in latin america so some of

2134
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:51,360
them also make it into spanish and we've

2135
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,719
we've done

2136
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:55,040
agreements with german and italian

2137
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:56,640
publishers and and

2138
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:58,239
we have one in japan we had one in

2139
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:59,199
russia

2140
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,320
um

2141
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,360
uh one of my books come out in russian

2142
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,920
so but so there is there's more to come

2143
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:07,440
i've got more books coming out this year

2144
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:08,960
we're planning things for next year when

2145
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:11,840
i say planning i use that very loosely

2146
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:13,840
you know i know you're feeling yeah i

2147
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,440
i've been playing in a book for two

2148
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,080
years you know oh that's nothing

2149
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:20,080
that's nothing i mean that's dave come

2150
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:23,840
on i gotta outline i got an outline

2151
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:26,480
two years is nothing you know yeah um

2152
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,440
now my latest book ufo landings uk that

2153
01:19:33,510 --> 01:19:31,040
only got written because we had the

2154
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:33,520
lockdown i've been sat on that book for

2155
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:35,360
years steve thinking i'll finally get

2156
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:36,400
this done

2157
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:38,960
but once the colby lockdown came

2158
01:19:42,709 --> 01:19:41,120
yeah everybody had everybody had a

2159
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:42,719
little bit more time right because

2160
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,400
either that or bury my wife under the

2161
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,640
patio you know so

2162
01:19:51,910 --> 01:19:48,960
you know i kept busy and wrote the book

2163
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:51,920
and that's and that's out now um but you

2164
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,679
know that you know we know there's a lot

2165
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,400
of interest in the ufo subject

2166
01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,520
you know we know they're still

2167
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:59,199
interested in the alien autopsy film i

2168
01:20:01,669 --> 01:20:00,239
i'm just

2169
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:01,679
a couple of years back i made my own

2170
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:04,480
little documentary series uh on the

2171
01:20:09,430 --> 01:20:07,440
alien autopsy film um and that's that

2172
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:09,440
did pretty well it wasn't for me i did

2173
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:11,600
it with another company and it's

2174
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,040
you know they've been extremely pleased

2175
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,440
with it and i'm working on other stuff

2176
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:17,600
with them so the interest is certainly

2177
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:19,679
there uh whether whether we like it or

2178
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:20,560
not

2179
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:23,520
this damn film's never going to go away

2180
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,000
yeah and and i also

2181
01:20:31,030 --> 01:20:28,320
i we i we have to mention

2182
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,040
you know uh we did this story largely

2183
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,120
based on information that you had

2184
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:35,600
amassed and collected on nick pope

2185
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:38,159
and uh i wanted to get your sense

2186
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:40,719
you know all over the the united states

2187
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,679
media they always say nick pope ran a

2188
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:45,679
british ufo program

2189
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:47,920
and i believe they do that falsely based

2190
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:50,080
on his own claims and and

2191
01:20:54,310 --> 01:20:52,639
we've shared a lot of the stuff that

2192
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,320
you've collected over the years that

2193
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,320
seems to indicate he just answered the

2194
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,719
phone he didn't investigate anything

2195
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,480
i mean what is your take on that and

2196
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:02,880
well so what what is the perception in

2197
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:05,679
england when he's called the british ufo

2198
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:07,840
expert in the united states what do

2199
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:10,639
people in england say do they know that

2200
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,280
this is all yeah

2201
01:21:16,390 --> 01:21:15,520
i mean nick has his followers you know

2202
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:16,400
and

2203
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,040
you know most people in the know here

2204
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,600
know that it's not true

2205
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:26,159
but you don't have to believe me or you

2206
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:28,080
you can just go to the ministry defense

2207
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,520
and they will tell you

2208
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,520
you can check all their files have been

2209
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,600
released to the public are into our uh

2210
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:35,120
national archives

2211
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:36,639
and that's where i got the documents

2212
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:37,440
from

2213
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:40,239
a you know

2214
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:42,080
pulled a rabbit out of a hat with mod

2215
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:43,679
documents they're all there anybody can

2216
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,080
see them they're not not top secret

2217
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:48,320
and um

2218
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,560
i'm one of the guys that used to bug

2219
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,560
nick pope when he was actually at the

2220
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:53,840
mod

2221
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,000
yeah that's interesting is that some of

2222
01:22:01,350 --> 01:21:58,960
those documents you're aware as is him

2223
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,360
and his handwriting yeah even though his

2224
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:03,040
name is redacted because he was working

2225
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:04,320
there at the time and that was you

2226
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:05,840
asking the questions

2227
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,080
this generated those documents you know

2228
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:09,840
yeah the thing about nick he was

2229
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,400
different to his predecessors and those

2230
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:14,560
that came after it he was just much more

2231
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,000
helpful

2232
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,639
he didn't have to be this wasn't mod

2233
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:19,760
policy

2234
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:22,560
it was just him as a personality

2235
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,960
and don't you think that maybe you know

2236
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,199
look he was just interested in ufos

2237
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:29,600
before he worked there so once he's in a

2238
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,199
position where people are calling

2239
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,360
talking about ufos

2240
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:35,440
he feels like he's investigating but i

2241
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:37,760
think the word investigating to me

2242
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:39,760
doesn't mean you answer the phone and

2243
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,679
then you forward it to what is that

2244
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,679
section there is a circle the section

2245
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,520
there's a there is another department oh

2246
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:47,520
there was it's not there now and it's

2247
01:22:53,830 --> 01:22:51,760
called di55 defense intelligence 55.

2248
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:53,840
they dealt with a lot of things

2249
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:55,520
but basically when

2250
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:58,480
when ufo reports went into nick's

2251
01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:59,920
department which is called the

2252
01:23:03,510 --> 01:23:01,840
secretariat

2253
01:23:05,350 --> 01:23:03,520
air staff

2254
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:05,360
and philip was nice enough to even send

2255
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:09,520
me the definition of secretary

2256
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,360
which is

2257
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:13,199
it's admin it's administration

2258
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:15,440
administrator administer yeah and i had

2259
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:17,600
mentioned that i worked at one corporate

2260
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:20,400
place where like four or five of us guys

2261
01:23:24,070 --> 01:23:22,800
that were working there had one admin

2262
01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:24,080
assistant

2263
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:26,480
you know and and and they did things

2264
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:29,280
like go get me a file answer the phone

2265
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,120
what nick would do when somebody when

2266
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,600
they got a report in he would copy in

2267
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,679
the various departments the main one

2268
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:37,600
being di55

2269
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:39,920
who actually investigated the stuff

2270
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:42,480
on occasion on occasion

2271
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:44,239
you're talking a handful of times per

2272
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:46,960
year but all they were looking at steve

2273
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,840
was to see if these reports were enemy

2274
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:51,520
aircraft

2275
01:23:55,350 --> 01:23:53,679
yeah the russians if there's a defense

2276
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,360
problem they're interested if it's not

2277
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:56,880
they're not interested and they've

2278
01:24:02,790 --> 01:23:59,120
openly said that from day one i mean

2279
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,800
that was mod policy across the board on

2280
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:04,480
on occasion

2281
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,639
they would look into certain reports and

2282
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:08,800
they would conduct an investigation but

2283
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:10,639
they didn't tell nick pope the results

2284
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,480
because he was too far down that the

2285
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,480
ladder these guys were well above him

2286
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,360
i'll give you an example there is a

2287
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:19,679
ministry defense

2288
01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:23,920
um i'll call it a report uh a study

2289
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:25,520
and it's called

2290
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:26,639
condyne

2291
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,280
project condone and it was done by a

2292
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:31,280
chap called dr harrow

2293
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:33,120
now when you read the condom report you

2294
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,639
won't find his name on it there's no

2295
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,400
author's name on it

2296
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,239
and it basically looked at what they

2297
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:40,800
were calling then the uaps

2298
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,040
and it was published internally it was

2299
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:45,120
classified to begin with

2300
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,360
i think in the year 2000

2301
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:49,760
because it was classified

2302
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:52,880
nick pumps department didn't get a copy

2303
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,360
they were not on the circulation list so

2304
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:57,520
he was so far down in the chain he

2305
01:25:02,709 --> 01:24:59,440
didn't even get classified internal

2306
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:02,719
documents about ufos now project condyle

2307
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,239
he's a lengthy report and dr ron haddau

2308
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,920
was a lifelong

2309
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:09,840
mod guy i think he started off as a

2310
01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:14,000
pilot in the 50s you know and um

2311
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,159
his conclusion was that these were

2312
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,199
unknown balls of plasma that may affect

2313
01:25:24,070 --> 01:25:21,760
uh you know aircraft etc etc but but

2314
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:24,080
that doesn't matter the fact was pope's

2315
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:26,080
department wasn't even copied in it was

2316
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,920
dr david clarke

2317
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:29,760
who found out about the condone report

2318
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,360
and got it released under the freedom of

2319
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,360
information act and see to me that is

2320
01:25:38,070 --> 01:25:35,840
very that is that right now what you're

2321
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:38,080
talking about is very telling because

2322
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:40,480
this man nick pope claims that he ran

2323
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,600
the british ufo program if he did he

2324
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:45,679
would be given access to these reports

2325
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,400
in these internal documents as the head

2326
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,719
of a ufo program but everything that

2327
01:25:53,590 --> 01:25:52,800
i've looked at seems to indicate there

2328
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:53,600
was

2329
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:55,679
people that that were in charge of

2330
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,080
investigating but you're right only when

2331
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:00,800
they felt it may be related to a defense

2332
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,199
issue yes and also nick pope on the

2333
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:06,080
record in a previous bio on his website

2334
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:08,719
claimed that he investigated

2335
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,840
alien

2336
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:11,120
abductions

2337
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:13,920
crop circles and cattle mutilations for

2338
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:16,000
the british government but

2339
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:18,560
we have from you we have from the

2340
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,880
british ministry of defense a letter

2341
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,800
confirming that they have never

2342
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:24,800
investigated alien

2343
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,360
abductions crop circles or cattle

2344
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,760
mutilations yeah yeah i mean right there

2345
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,080
he's lying and and he's and they also

2346
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:33,920
also you also have

2347
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:36,400
some correspondence by nick pope himself

2348
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:39,760
saying you know there are no crop circle

2349
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,960
reports in the mod files

2350
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,800
and then there's another document

2351
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:47,360
written by by nick himself

2352
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:50,080
saying that the kind of reports that the

2353
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:51,600
the chapel written to them are talking

2354
01:26:55,750 --> 01:26:53,120
about

2355
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,760
i.e close encounters

2356
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,080
they don't tend to receive

2357
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,320
and he actually advises the

2358
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:01,840
correspondent

2359
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:05,360
to contact some civilian ufo groups and

2360
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:07,440
he lists them yeah which doesn't make

2361
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:09,040
sense because if he was

2362
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:12,000
he see he it's all about perceptions he

2363
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:13,040
he

2364
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:23,120
investigated crop circles and alien

2365
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:25,199
abductions and it's very clear that they

2366
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:26,960
didn't investigate that's not a defense

2367
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,520
issue they had no interest or in

2368
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:31,600
investigating them no but and it's and

2369
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:34,800
it's unfortunate but like we have a very

2370
01:27:38,790 --> 01:27:36,480
similar parallel here in the united

2371
01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:38,800
states because you've got nick pope

2372
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:41,280
saying i ran a british the british ufo

2373
01:27:45,430 --> 01:27:43,120
program i was the head of it and then we

2374
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:45,440
find out no you didn't and that didn't

2375
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,239
exist you were a secretary and in in the

2376
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,239
united states we've got elizondo saying

2377
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:52,639
that he ran a 22 million dollar

2378
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:55,040
ufo program that we now know never

2379
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,239
existed and was not funded but i always

2380
01:28:01,590 --> 01:28:00,080
say look you don't have to believe me

2381
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,600
the documents that i'm talking about

2382
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,600
i've shared some with you steve yeah

2383
01:28:07,110 --> 01:28:05,360
they're all they're all available in the

2384
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:07,120
mod files

2385
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,880
you know and and i don't know if they

2386
01:28:12,790 --> 01:28:10,880
are now but during the pandemic

2387
01:28:15,030 --> 01:28:12,800
all these files you could download them

2388
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,040
free of charge yeah and i just tell you

2389
01:28:20,629 --> 01:28:17,840
because i did have i had pieces of that

2390
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,639
puzzle but uh philip mantle had a

2391
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,880
collection he has an entire he had a

2392
01:28:26,790 --> 01:28:24,639
whole collection and i put up most of

2393
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:26,800
them in a google drive link

2394
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,719
after this broadcast ends i'll put the

2395
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:30,960
google drive link to all the evidence

2396
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,960
and proof that nick pope never ran a ufo

2397
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:34,560
program

2398
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,159
will be right there in black and white

2399
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:38,480
for you so about everybody i'm coming to

2400
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,320
me saying well you're just jealous of

2401
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,639
nick pope i've heard that i've heard

2402
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,320
that and i can see how people could

2403
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,239
assume that because you're both british

2404
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:48,960
you're you're i said look i have my own

2405
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:50,320
little niche

2406
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:52,159
whatever you want to call it i am quite

2407
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:54,560
happy with where i am

2408
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,040
you know i love doing what i didn't lie

2409
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,440
to people about your no jobs to get

2410
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:01,440
there i i said i left school with no

2411
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:04,560
qualifications i have none i mean zilch

2412
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:05,679
that you know

2413
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,880
um

2414
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,120
you know i worked in a factory

2415
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:11,199
and i'm i'm i'm proud of that you know i

2416
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:12,880
was a factory worker i was a yeah

2417
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:15,040
my family's all blue collar union i was

2418
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:17,440
just i was a trade union representative

2419
01:29:22,550 --> 01:29:19,920
i was well trained by the trade union

2420
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,560
and then i took hill seriously ill

2421
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,040
and uh i had to after a couple of years

2422
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:27,520
i could find a you know an office job

2423
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:28,880
like i said i ended up working for the

2424
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,320
halifax bank

2425
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:32,719
uh and i'm very grateful you know it it

2426
01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:34,880
saw my daughter through university and

2427
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,000
paid the bills

2428
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:40,000
oops sorry about that

2429
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:43,040
is that the ice cream van arriving

2430
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:46,320
no that is my uh that is my i i have a i

2431
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:49,840
have alarm set for everything uh

2432
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:53,120
i forget that's just uh my son in in

2433
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:54,960
another hour is going to be home on the

2434
01:29:59,270 --> 01:29:57,280
bus so okay so

2435
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,280
10 years after i had the heart attack i

2436
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:01,280
went down with heart failure that nearly

2437
01:30:04,550 --> 01:30:02,800
flaming killed me i've had other heart

2438
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:04,560
problems so i've been in and out of

2439
01:30:10,470 --> 01:30:07,440
hospital so there is no way

2440
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:10,480
i could run around like nick pope does

2441
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,880
you know so i'm not jealous

2442
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,960
uh there's nothing personal next nick

2443
01:30:18,550 --> 01:30:16,719
spoke at one of the conferences i helped

2444
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,560
organize he stayed in my house as a

2445
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:20,400
guest

2446
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:22,080
one of the things that strikes me is

2447
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:25,280
that obviously this man has an intense

2448
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:27,840
passion and interest for these subjects

2449
01:30:31,270 --> 01:30:29,679
i just think where he went wrong is

2450
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:31,280
overstating

2451
01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:34,880
and and embellishing and fabricating

2452
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:37,520
a story for his background that would

2453
01:30:41,189 --> 01:30:40,080
then get him more bookings more fame

2454
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:41,199
more money

2455
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:42,960
and that's a problem for me you know

2456
01:30:47,350 --> 01:30:44,960
it's a real problem for me yeah yeah i

2457
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:47,360
think it's so he if he had if he hadn't

2458
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,360
said any of that stuff

2459
01:30:54,310 --> 01:30:52,080
uh and faked stuff in his background or

2460
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:54,320
claimed that he investigated things he

2461
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:56,000
clearly never investigated for the

2462
01:31:00,149 --> 01:30:58,159
british government if he had just said

2463
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,159
like like you philip i'm just a citizen

2464
01:31:04,070 --> 01:31:02,400
of the uk i'm very interested in these

2465
01:31:05,910 --> 01:31:04,080
subjects i've been researching them for

2466
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:05,920
20 years or whatever

2467
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:09,440
i i would be much more agreeable to

2468
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:10,880
listening to

2469
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:12,000
i think

2470
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:13,840
what nick's job actually did bearing in

2471
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:14,800
mind

2472
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,639
some guy wrote to the media city offense

2473
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:18,800
said how can i apply for the job and

2474
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:21,040
they said well it's internal

2475
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:22,560
and they sent him they said well what

2476
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,639
does it entail so they sent him a list

2477
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:26,560
of what it entails and it's all admin

2478
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:28,719
tasks that's all it is

2479
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:29,600
you know

2480
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:31,199
all the things that nick never talks

2481
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:33,280
about and what people don't realize too

2482
01:31:38,709 --> 01:31:36,239
is that a lot of his job was was that

2483
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:38,719
administrative and secretarial like a

2484
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:41,120
british a british airplane is let's say

2485
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:43,040
a british airplane is going to fly to

2486
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:45,280
poland they need a place to land they

2487
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:47,600
need clearance to land there's paperwork

2488
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:49,760
that needs to be done that's what he did

2489
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,840
it's the civil service you know

2490
01:31:55,830 --> 01:31:53,760
politicians come and go but civil you

2491
01:31:57,830 --> 01:31:55,840
can have a job in the civil service

2492
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,840
for all your life and he did indeed

2493
01:32:03,189 --> 01:31:59,920
spend 21 years in it you know and he

2494
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:03,199
took early retirement and he is a nice

2495
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:06,400
guy he you know he's very affable but if

2496
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:08,400
you're on the wrong side of him

2497
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:10,400
you know that's that's different

2498
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:11,520
and

2499
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:13,840
based based on the sock puppet accounts

2500
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:15,520
that are currently attacking me on

2501
01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:17,679
twitter i i think i got on his wrong

2502
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:19,520
side and it's always interesting to me i

2503
01:32:23,669 --> 01:32:21,199
don't know if you know this philip but

2504
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:23,679
every time at least here on this show

2505
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:26,480
when we show people the truth about one

2506
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,120
of these characters in conspiracy land

2507
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,239
suddenly a brand new nameless faceless

2508
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:34,560
twitter account comes comes at me on

2509
01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:37,120
twitter to defend their honor and tell

2510
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:40,080
me how wrong i am it's never a real

2511
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:42,159
person that defends them once they're

2512
01:32:46,629 --> 01:32:44,320
revealed to be the frauds or the liars

2513
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:46,639
that i believe they are it's always a

2514
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:49,120
fake brand new twitter account yeah you

2515
01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:50,960
know yeah i mean you know and that's

2516
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:52,719
just the way it is i say look you don't

2517
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:54,800
have to believe me i'll tell you read

2518
01:32:58,790 --> 01:32:56,880
the documents yeah i'd say you asked for

2519
01:33:00,390 --> 01:32:58,800
them steve and i sent you them i think

2520
01:33:02,950 --> 01:33:00,400
they were there the same day or the next

2521
01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:02,960
day and yeah yeah absolutely make of

2522
01:33:07,350 --> 01:33:05,600
them what you will and um

2523
01:33:08,470 --> 01:33:07,360
but that's that's it like i said don't

2524
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:08,480
believe me

2525
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:10,080
you know go to the minute and this

2526
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,840
people will say well you can't believe

2527
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:14,159
the ministry of defense yeah because the

2528
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:16,480
men in black covered up

2529
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:18,480
hang on a minute hang on a minute here

2530
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:19,920
you can't believe the ministry of

2531
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:22,560
defense but you want to believe a former

2532
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:25,920
military defense employee

2533
01:33:31,350 --> 01:33:28,159
you know come on you know

2534
01:33:32,550 --> 01:33:31,360
um it doesn't quite work that way but

2535
01:33:34,070 --> 01:33:32,560
people don't want to have their

2536
01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:34,080
illusions shattered they think there's

2537
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:36,159
some secret department in the mod has

2538
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:38,560
been up to all this that and the other

2539
01:33:43,030 --> 01:33:40,400
and if there is we haven't found we

2540
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:43,040
haven't found it you know we do know

2541
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:45,120
that di50 i'll tell you how we found out

2542
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:48,080
about di55 it goes back a long time

2543
01:33:51,270 --> 01:33:49,199
steve

2544
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:51,280
you know we would write letters to the

2545
01:33:54,709 --> 01:33:53,120
ministry defense trying to get access to

2546
01:33:57,189 --> 01:33:54,719
this down the other

2547
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:57,199
more often than not we failed

2548
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:59,040
but it was my colleague

2549
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:01,679
um jenny randles

2550
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:03,920
who will notice on a letter that i've

2551
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:06,080
got from the mld they're distribution

2552
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:06,960
list

2553
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:08,320
you know i think that's interesting so

2554
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:09,600
they screwed up

2555
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:10,639
yeah

2556
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:12,960
and she it wasn't me it was my it was

2557
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:14,719
written to me but i hadn't noticed it

2558
01:34:20,709 --> 01:34:18,400
jenny noticed it she said di55 so then

2559
01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:20,719
start to look into what d where the hell

2560
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:22,719
who's this di-55

2561
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:25,440
and then we found we found out you know

2562
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:27,120
it took a long time

2563
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:29,120
but they're gone now that department is

2564
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:32,080
is dissolved it may have another name

2565
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:33,199
move somewhere

2566
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:35,120
pope's department the game was closed in

2567
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,719
2009

2568
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:38,320
so you can't get any set if you write to

2569
01:34:41,830 --> 01:34:40,239
the ministry offense that's forwarded on

2570
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:41,840
to some place somewhere else they don't

2571
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,880
even reply themselves anymore um

2572
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:46,239
and and they are genuinely not

2573
01:34:48,950 --> 01:34:47,280
interested

2574
01:34:51,750 --> 01:34:48,960
people people don't believe that they're

2575
01:34:53,669 --> 01:34:51,760
generally not they're they're open

2576
01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:53,679
unless it's a defense issue then they're

2577
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:56,719
interested they've openly said

2578
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:59,600
however far back you go that that that's

2579
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:01,040
that's it they're looking at this from a

2580
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:03,520
defense point of view they'll admit

2581
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:04,880
they've always admitted that there are

2582
01:35:08,950 --> 01:35:06,639
things in the air that they can't

2583
01:35:11,109 --> 01:35:08,960
explain sure but if it's not a defense

2584
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:11,119
issue we really don't give a you

2585
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:12,000
know

2586
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:16,159
people don't want to believe that well

2587
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,360
if they don't want to believe that i

2588
01:35:20,470 --> 01:35:19,199
can't force them

2589
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:20,480
yeah and i want to

2590
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:22,719
i wanted to ask you before we finish

2591
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:23,920
because this is going to be the next

2592
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:26,639
book of years uh that i'm going to read

2593
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:29,760
this is ufo landings uk can you tell us

2594
01:35:32,629 --> 01:35:31,280
a little bit about the cases that you

2595
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:32,639
cover in this book and a little bit

2596
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:35,199
about it yeah i mean i mean when i first

2597
01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:38,719
got involved in ufology uh steve ma

2598
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:41,119
myself and mark birdsall my colleague

2599
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,159
investigated a ufo landing case not far

2600
01:35:49,109 --> 01:35:46,560
from where i live in a small town called

2601
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:49,119
normanton in west yorkshire

2602
01:35:53,830 --> 01:35:51,040
uh and it involved a lady and several

2603
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:53,840
children i saw this thing land you know

2604
01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:55,679
these

2605
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,920
men in white outside of it and off it

2606
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:59,040
goes

2607
01:36:01,750 --> 01:36:00,080
so

2608
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:01,760
what that did

2609
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:04,560
it confirmed my interest in the subject

2610
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:06,239
no longer was i having to read books

2611
01:36:10,229 --> 01:36:08,239
about things that happened in new mexico

2612
01:36:11,990 --> 01:36:10,239
or socorro new mexico yeah you could

2613
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:12,000
talk to the real witnesses yeah and we

2614
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:13,520
went an interview with them this was in

2615
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:16,320
my back garden uh my backyard so to

2616
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:17,280
speak

2617
01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:19,520
so throughout the decades that i've been

2618
01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:20,719
involved

2619
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:22,400
jesus christ that makes me sound old

2620
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:29,109
right

2621
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:32,159
veteran journalist so i would i would i

2622
01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:34,560
would collect these cases and wherever

2623
01:36:39,030 --> 01:36:37,119
possible steve i'd go and interview

2624
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:39,040
people you know because it was a lot of

2625
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:41,440
it was the days before the internet

2626
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,679
and so i just started to build them up

2627
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:45,360
and and i finally thought i'll put all

2628
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,199
these into one volume

2629
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:49,679
because the colleagues around the world

2630
01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:52,800
will i would say at least 90 if not more

2631
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:54,639
of the cases in this book they will

2632
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,800
probably never have heard of

2633
01:37:00,629 --> 01:36:58,960
and it's a shame because

2634
01:37:02,550 --> 01:37:00,639
if we're all trying to understand the

2635
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:02,560
phenomena we've all got different parts

2636
01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:04,880
of the puzzle and unless we share that

2637
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,159
we'll that will never see the whole

2638
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,719
picture so one way of doing that is some

2639
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:09,840
books

2640
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:11,920
and so come

2641
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:14,400
you know the kobe lockdown

2642
01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:16,800
i thought well i have no excuse now i've

2643
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:19,360
got all this stuff on file i'm gonna put

2644
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:21,520
it i better get it into a book stuck in

2645
01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:24,080
your house yeah so i i wrote it and then

2646
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:25,600
originally it was gonna come out two

2647
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:28,480
years ago so you'll see on amazon

2648
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:30,880
publication date 2020 that's when i just

2649
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,520
uploaded the cover nothing else you know

2650
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:37,679
oh i'm gonna do that for my book that'll

2651
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:39,360
motivate me i'll just upload the cover

2652
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,760
then i'll write it right so you know and

2653
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:43,679
then i i you know

2654
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:45,600
and i eventually thought no i'll publish

2655
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:46,880
it now

2656
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,400
and away it went and i'm you know i'm

2657
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,880
very pleased with it um

2658
01:37:55,030 --> 01:37:52,880
and there's been a few problems with it

2659
01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:55,040
i did a lot you know if you see my hands

2660
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:56,800
steve they're not memphis typing i still

2661
01:38:00,790 --> 01:37:58,000
i still

2662
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:00,800
you know hit three keys on in one go on

2663
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:03,520
the on the on the on the on the keyboard

2664
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:05,520
when i'm trying to write stuff but i've

2665
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:07,760
had it proof read it's it's back up and

2666
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:09,760
running and i do apologize to anyone if

2667
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:11,360
you've got my sausage fingers trying to

2668
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:15,040
write this stuff you know and

2669
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:16,639
like you said when we were talking

2670
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:18,880
before we we went live that the things

2671
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:20,480
in there you you've never heard of

2672
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:22,400
before and it is there are some very

2673
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:25,199
bizarre things as well steve so i hope

2674
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:26,960
uh i hope our colleagues around the

2675
01:38:31,109 --> 01:38:28,800
world especially in the united states

2676
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:31,119
can can take a look at it and perhaps

2677
01:38:34,629 --> 01:38:32,639
compare it with things they've

2678
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:34,639
researched or if you're just interested

2679
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:36,560
in the subject well there's a whole

2680
01:38:39,030 --> 01:38:38,080
bunch of new stuff you've probably never

2681
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:39,040
heard of

2682
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:40,480
and it's out now

2683
01:38:45,750 --> 01:38:42,840
yeah yeah and just for the benefit of

2684
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,760
anybody uh who's interested there's a

2685
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,239
link to uh

2686
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,719
mr mantle's books on amazon in the

2687
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:52,560
description of this video

2688
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:54,880
and i would encourage you because uh you

2689
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,960
know the first book of his i read was

2690
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:58,560
thoroughly enjoyable couldn't put it

2691
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,960
down i had to finish it

2692
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:02,719
because it was and and really that was

2693
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:04,159
cool because it was a piece of my

2694
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,239
childhood almost that i was reading

2695
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:08,560
about you know i it was such a big event

2696
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:11,040
this alien autopsy and i'm anxious to

2697
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:13,040
read this and i think we should all

2698
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:15,119
support the uh

2699
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:16,800
the

2700
01:39:21,430 --> 01:39:19,199
good work that people do you know people

2701
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:21,440
don't have to lie about their background

2702
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:24,080
in order to be involved and do good work

2703
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,800
in this thing and good research uh you

2704
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:28,560
know uh

2705
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,639
philip male is one of those good guys i

2706
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:32,960
put you in the good guy list

2707
01:39:37,669 --> 01:39:35,360
but i gotta tell you i don't have many

2708
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:37,679
people in the good guy list left because

2709
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:39,600
it just seems like too many of these

2710
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:42,239
people are out there just trying to grab

2711
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:45,360
the ufo dollars and they don't really

2712
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:48,159
uh do it the right way you know well you

2713
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:50,159
know if i if i probably totaled up how

2714
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:52,880
much i spent on this subject down there

2715
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:57,510
and i won't even come anywhere close

2716
01:40:01,750 --> 01:40:00,320
steve you know my wife would say we

2717
01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:01,760
could probably about another couple of

2718
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:03,119
children if you haven't spent that kind

2719
01:40:08,950 --> 01:40:06,320
of money you know what i mean and

2720
01:40:11,510 --> 01:40:08,960
so i'm i'm not necessarily that money

2721
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:11,520
motivated obviously when i publish books

2722
01:40:16,229 --> 01:40:13,920
either by myself or colleagues i want

2723
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:16,239
them to be successful and of course if

2724
01:40:20,629 --> 01:40:18,800
it's successful we get we get royalties

2725
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,639
i mean that's just goes with it

2726
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:22,639
but i've published books

2727
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:24,960
that i know won't sell

2728
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:27,119
in big a bigger amount steve simply

2729
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:29,520
because i believe that they needed to be

2730
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:32,159
published in the first place yeah yeah

2731
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:34,239
oh absolutely just for history's sake

2732
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,000
yeah i believe that they need to be

2733
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:38,800
there and there's only me

2734
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,320
you know flying this press here in the

2735
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:42,719
uk there's me and that's it

2736
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:43,600
you know

2737
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:44,880
and um

2738
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:47,440
and i i try and do i try and publish as

2739
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:49,360
much as i can that's never been seen

2740
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:50,560
before

2741
01:40:53,910 --> 01:40:52,320
both from the uk and around the world

2742
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:53,920
i've published books that's that's what

2743
01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:56,400
i like you know i i've got so many books

2744
01:41:01,990 --> 01:40:59,679
on roswell or on randall shimmer cases

2745
01:41:04,870 --> 01:41:02,000
that everybody's heard of i love it when

2746
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:04,880
i hear some new case that i've never

2747
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:07,040
heard of so i'm looking forward to this

2748
01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:09,280
book and maybe you could come back after

2749
01:41:12,390 --> 01:41:10,880
i read that one i got to do my felt

2750
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:12,400
mental homework

2751
01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:15,280
first you know

2752
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:17,040
maybe i'll still be on your good list

2753
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:20,080
then no i i would hope so sure yeah is

2754
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:21,840
that a good thing or a bad thing by the

2755
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:23,440
way to be on your good list

2756
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:25,360
it's a very short list so i would think

2757
01:41:29,669 --> 01:41:28,159
it's it's pretty okay right

2758
01:41:31,590 --> 01:41:29,679
yeah

2759
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,600
but listen i want to i want to thank you

2760
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:33,360
for taking the time to join us like i

2761
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,560
said it's not

2762
01:41:38,790 --> 01:41:36,480
i'm impressed listen

2763
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:38,800
it's it's i probably i'm impressed

2764
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:41,040
because i've been trying to learn how to

2765
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:42,320
write books

2766
01:41:46,709 --> 01:41:44,719
on this subject and and to find somebody

2767
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:46,719
like you that's got you go look him up

2768
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:48,639
on amazon the link is in the description

2769
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:49,760
to go

2770
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,080
check out his books and

2771
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:54,239
this guy writes a lot of books you know

2772
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:56,719
so i'm impressed with that and and also

2773
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:58,880
publishes for other people like this

2774
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,960
person in poland or whatever and that's

2775
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:02,400
a great thing that he does for the

2776
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:05,600
community because if not for philip some

2777
01:42:09,990 --> 01:42:07,840
of these lesser-known people or authors

2778
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:10,000
from these smaller countries we might

2779
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,520
never get that information out

2780
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,600
absolutely and i will continue to do

2781
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,760
that wherever possible steve you know

2782
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:17,840
simple as that

2783
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:20,000
okay well listen i appreciate you taking

2784
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,520
the time and uh

2785
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:23,760
just so you know you're like the one of

2786
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:25,920
the only people i agreed to do an early

2787
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:27,679
interview with i hate thank you very

2788
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:29,119
much well you wouldn't want to talk to

2789
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:31,600
me at 3 a.m i wouldn't have any spence

2790
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:33,840
at all steve i can assure you

2791
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:36,159
okay well i'm gonna i'm gonna we're

2792
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:37,760
gonna wrap things up here so i

2793
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:39,440
appreciate your time and i hope that you

2794
01:42:42,629 --> 01:42:41,040
won't be a stranger and come back again

2795
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:42,639
soon all right

2796
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:44,239
good night all right thank you philip

2797
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:47,679
mantle great great interview uh boy

2798
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:50,480
listen i always say this friends i uh

2799
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,880
have spoken to phil mannell a little bit

2800
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:55,040
through email but we've never had a long

2801
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,800
conversation like this and i've i've

2802
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:57,920
wanted to

2803
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:00,320
and i'm very selfish and instead of

2804
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:03,119
doing it off air privately i said we're

2805
01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:05,199
gonna do it right on air and take all of

2806
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:07,199
you my friends with us

2807
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,679
uh i wanna recognize and thank you kind

2808
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:11,520
of generous supporters we have space cow

2809
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:14,159
the 699 super chat says good stuff

2810
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,719
cambian and philip great info and then

2811
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,880
we have uh sidvish

2812
01:43:22,709 --> 01:43:20,400
500

2813
01:43:24,550 --> 01:43:22,719
and okay finally a show i don't have to

2814
01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:24,560
be in the replay crew yeah we're gonna

2815
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:27,760
try to do some early ones so listen uh i

2816
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,760
gotta bounce on out of here because uh

2817
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:31,440
we're coming up and my son will be

2818
01:43:35,590 --> 01:43:33,040
getting home from school on the bus and

2819
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,600
i gotta go get him i wanna thank all of

2820
01:43:38,629 --> 01:43:37,119
our kind and generous supporters i want

2821
01:43:40,229 --> 01:43:38,639
to thank our excellent guest today

2822
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:40,239
philip mantle for doing this and i want

2823
01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:43,119
to thank you uh because uh

2824
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:44,320
without you

2825
01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:46,560
it's just me talking

2826
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:48,080
but i'm so glad that i could take you

2827
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:49,840
with me on this journey and what a

2828
01:43:54,790 --> 01:43:52,719
journey it has been always interesting

2829
01:43:56,950 --> 01:43:54,800
to be able to take you my friends along

2830
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:56,960
with me for these conversations i think

2831
01:44:03,030 --> 01:43:59,920
why have them privately let's just uh do

2832
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,040
it and and let everybody

2833
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,520
listen in uh and that's sort of been the

2834
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:07,920
model here and it's worked very well for

2835
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:08,639
us

2836
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:10,880
so uh that's all i got for you but i

2837
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:13,280
want to remind you that 9 p.m eastern

2838
01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:14,800
standard time tonight

2839
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:16,880
uh we're going to be doing a special

2840
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:17,760
show

2841
01:44:21,750 --> 01:44:18,800
which is

2842
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,760
on the

2843
01:44:25,990 --> 01:44:23,920
latest of linda moulton house hoax you

2844
01:44:28,149 --> 01:44:26,000
may remember that we caught her using a

2845
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,159
cgi video game cover and putting it

2846
01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:30,400
behind her paywall some time ago she's

2847
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:34,159
at it again with a new fake cgi picture

2848
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,880
of an alien that she is claiming is a

2849
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:39,119
real alien she even copyrighted the

2850
01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:41,760
photo we found the artist we tracked

2851
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:43,679
down the person who actually drew the

2852
01:44:48,310 --> 01:44:46,239
image she's saying is a photograph of a

2853
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,320
real alien and we're going to break it

2854
01:44:53,430 --> 01:44:50,719
all down for you tonight at 9 00 pm

2855
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:53,440
linda molten hell's latest hoax exposed

2856
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:56,239
9 p.m eastern time tonight be sure to

2857
01:45:00,550 --> 01:44:58,239
join us that's all i got for you for

2858
01:45:02,310 --> 01:45:00,560
right now come back at 9 00 pm eastern

2859
01:45:04,149 --> 01:45:02,320
standard time tonight you'll be glad you

2860
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:04,159
did if you like those gotcha moments

2861
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,080
tonight is going to be filled with them

2862
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:08,800
we got her again we got her again and

2863
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:10,960
listen friends making a mistake like

2864
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:13,520
that one time is a mistake doing it

2865
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:16,480
twice to make money is a pattern

2866
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:19,119
and we can't let this continue uh please

2867
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:22,239
do join me tonight 9 p.m eastern time

2868
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,679
until next time friends my name is

2869
01:45:29,670 --> 01:45:25,760
stephen campion good night and god bless

2870
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:50,390
[Music]

2871
01:46:28,230 --> 01:45:51,800
so

2872
01:46:59,840 --> 01:46:57,080
[Music]

2873
01:47:33,190 --> 01:46:59,850
[Applause]